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It was written:

To my knowledge, Toka is a really good plum pollinator and is used by 
monay people for that purpose.  I haven't had plums on my Toka yet, but 
the samples I have had from the orchards are pretty good tasting, a 
little on the spicy side. Superior can also be used as a pollinator, but
 it isn't as effective as Toka.  Superior is sweet and very good tasting
 (U of Minnesota release in the 1930s?).  Both of these varieties do 
well up to zone 4, or even up to Zone 3.

My reply:

I have Toka, Ozark Premier, and Alderman all on the same tree...the problem 
with Toka is its stages of bud develpment for spraying are out of sync with 
the others, and though bloom times somewhat overlap, in my case Toka is about 
a week later.  

Regards,

the fluffy bunny



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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Bananas (Mike Levine)
   2. Re: plum tree (loneroc)
   3. Re: plum tree (John Bunker)
   4. monoculture (Lucky Pittman)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:41:16 -0500
From: "Mike Levine" <mlevine@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Bananas
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Claude,
Thanks, that is extremely useful information.  Exactly what I was looking
for.

Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Claude Sweet" <hortventures@cox.net>
To: "Mike Levine" <crunchy@oldweb.com>; "North American Fruit Explorers"
<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Bananas


> Mike,
>
> Allowing the plant to sucker diverts energy that would otherwise produce
> the flower stalk.
>
> Commercial growers can time the emergence of the flower stalk and fruit
> harvest by removing suckers until a specific date they have established
> for their region.  This method is reported by growers in Israel who aim
> for a marketing window.  They select a single sucker that has reached a
> specific height for flowering and remove all others except for a small
> replacement for the following season.
>
> I can attest to the fact that both container plants and those that are
> planted directly in the ground need to have suckers removed to promote
> flowering.  The larger cultivars have a direct relationship between the
> number of leaves that emerge from the stalk and the emergence of the
> flower stalk which represents the end of the terminal growth.
>
> This should also hold true for the smaller dwarf selections and
> container grown bananas.
>
> Eventually a clumps of banana stalks will flower, but there is a
> considerable delay, especially in plants that do not have a climate or
> horticultural practices that promotes a uniform and constant pattern of
> growth throughout the year.
>
> If my memory is correct, fruit growers do not select suckers that have
> narrow leaves as they do not flower as soon as those with broader
> leaves.  Nurseries are likely to remove all of the suckers that are
> produced because they have different motivations (profit from plant
> sales - not fruit sales).
>
> Claude Sweet
> San Diego, CA
>
> Mike Levine wrote:
>
> >However, getting back to bananas I am interested in hearing more about
> >varieties that can be used as potted plants.  Thanks everyone for the
> >suggestions and advice.  I think I'll be ordering a Raji Puri for next
> >season.  I gave a banana to a friend with a greenhouse 2 years ago
(variety
> >unknown, but maybe some sort of Jamaican red type) and it still hasn't
> >flowered.  I don't think he has fertilized it much, but it seems healthy
and
> >has a bunch of little sports at the base.  What can I tell him to do to
> >induce it to flower?  Also, when is the best time to divide them?
> >
> >Mike Levine
> >Ann Arbor, MI
> >Zone 5b
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:13:30 -0600
From: "loneroc" <loneroc@mwt.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plum tree
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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My Tokas this year were an extraordinarily aromatic, eye-popping wonder!  The 
finest plums I have had thus far.  They vary in taste a fair amount from year 
to year for me.  Perhaps the dry summer here concentrated flavor.  You also 
have to be sure to thin very well.

I got my material from Frank Folz of Northwind Nursery.  Be careful.  
Hansen's South Dakota material has been terribly confused since the turn of 
the century.  

Steve Herje
Lone Rock, WI   USDA Zone 3
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nathan Torgerson 
  To: Bill Russell ; North American Fruit Explorers 
  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plum tree


  To my knowledge, Toka is a really good plum pollinator and is used by monay 
people for that purpose.  I haven't had plums on my Toka yet, but the samples 
I have had from the orchards are pretty good tasting, a little on the spicy 
side. Superior can also be used as a pollinator, but it isn't as effective as 
Toka.  Superior is sweet and very good tasting (U of Minnesota release in the 
1930s?).  Both of these varieties do well up to zone 4, or even up to Zone 3.


  Nate
  Andover, MN Zone 4a

  Bill Russell <shaman@pennswoods.net> wrote:
    Yesterday I planted a Santa Rosa plum tree. It seems that I need a 
pollinator. I wonder what would be a good choice for another variety for 
quality of fruit, disease resistance, ease of growth, etc.  - for zone 5?

    Bill
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:31:06 -0500
From: John Bunker <jbunker@gwi.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] plum tree
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Bill and Nathan,

In most zone 5 locations where Santa Rosa would be hardy, you could plant
many different Japanese plums that would be decent pollinators.  It would
not be necessary to plant the much hardier hybrid varieties such as Toka,
Superior, et al. 

I would suggest that you take a look at catalogs that offer Japanese
varieties (Prunus salicina)  and pick out one or two.  Some of the more
popular ones include Abundance, Burbank, Elephant Heart, and Methley.  There
are dozens of others out there.  I'm sure that various NAFEX members will
have favorites.

Regards,

John Bunker
Fedco Trees
Palermo ME   



on 10/30/03 1:55 PM, Nathan Torgerson at nathantorgerson@yahoo.com wrote:

To my knowledge, Toka is a really good plum pollinator and is used by monay
people for that purpose.  I haven't had plums on my Toka yet, but the
samples I have had from the orchards are pretty good tasting, a little on
the spicy side. Superior can also be used as a pollinator, but it isn't as
effective as Toka.  Superior is sweet and very good tasting (U of Minnesota
release in the 1930s?).  Both of these varieties do well up to zone 4, or
even up to Zone 3.


Nate
Andover, MN Zone 4a

Bill Russell <shaman@pennswoods.net> wrote:
Yesterday I planted a Santa Rosa plum tree. It seems that I need a
pollinator. I wonder what would be a good choice for another variety for
quality of fruit, disease resistance, ease of growth, etc.  - for zone 5?
 
Bill
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:13:16 -0600
From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: [NAFEX] monoculture
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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At 09:41 PM 10/29/2003 +0000, Tanis wrote:
>But don't all the horrors listed in this posting happen in this country 
>too ?

Sure they do, and it's not just with fruiting/edible plants.

For the last few years, here in my little town, I've been noticing a 
burgeoning epidemic consisting of a double-whammy of bacterial leaf scorch 
and heavy infestation of gouty & horny stem/branch galls on pin oaks that 
are fairly quickly taking out large number of these trees in street & 
residential plantings.
Pin oak(Q.palustris) is a nurseryman's dream - easy to grow from readily 
available acorns, grows & calipers rapidly, transplants readily as a fairly 
large specimen, and has consumer recognition.  But, when EVERYONE plants 
one in the yard, and the cities use them almost exclusively as their street 
tree selection, they've set the stage for virtually unhindered spread of 
one or more potential pathogens throughout the population.

Lucky


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