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[Kevin Bradley <kbradley@ttlc.net>]

I know of an orchard near Waukesha which is either 4b or 5 that grows 
delicious Turley Winesaps, one of my favorites, it does ripen there but is 
about the last apple to ripen at his orchard, in late October, early November.