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["Griffin Gardens" <griffingardens@earthlink.net>]

Excelsior, Sancho! There are windmills to be tilted. 
  I tried to get all my trees on Gisela 5 for the improved hardiness of it,
which doesn't take much when most sweets are budded on mazzard. I lost a 3
year old North Star on mazzard because the buried bud union hadn't had time
to get onto it's own roots, and the mazzard roots were killed. The local
giant wholesale grower propagates it only on mazzard - why put a zone 4
tree on zone 5 roots I don't know - but now I bud my own on seedlings of
Meteor, North Star or Mesabi. I will be trying sweets on these next year.
Anybody had any experience with this?
  Meanwhile, I was successful getting Gisela 5 trees except for dead Black
Gold (supposed to be more hardy) and dead Summit were on Mazzard. Live
Hudson (most hardy cv., maybe) is on mazzard. Live Kristin and Sweet
September are on GM-61 and live Ulster is on G-6. 
  The list is for 1st winter trees only. I have 2 winter trees of Lapins(1
ea on G-5 and G-6), Hedlefingen (GM-61), Kristin (G-5) and Rainier (G-6).
The few flower buds on these were killed, but there was virtually no
dieback in spite of a long wet fall. Seems to say the older the better.
  Recovery has been vigorous on all trees since the June 6th assessment was
made. New growth ranges from 18" - 24" in spite of deer eating it off twice
early on. These sweets do great here in the summertime, its just the winter
that might be a little problem.

Dave
    

> [Original Message]
> From: <rmelrose@bluemoo.net>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
 > Date: 7/30/03 12:49:00 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] RE: Cherries
>
> Well Dave, that is interesting for at least a couple of reasons. Your
> figures seem to indicate that things often get worse as the year
progresses
> -- which is consistent with what I see here. My moderately damaged sweet
> cherries are hanging on, but not rebounding. The mildly damaged trees seem
> to have recovered almost completely. I take it that your sour cherries
were
> unfazed by the winter?
> 
> The fact that you are growing these sweet cherries in 4a is rather
> reassuring to me, makes me feel a little less Don Quixotian. How far along
> are they? Do you know what rootstocks they are on?
> 
> Richard
> 
> > 
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:36:35 -0500
> > From: "Griffin Gardens" <griffingardens@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Cherries -- Longish, questions and comments
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID: <4120037229183635510@earthlink.net>
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> > 
> > Hi Richard,
> >    For what it is worth, these are my survival/recovery stats on
cherries
> > for last year in central MN, zone 4a. I say for what its worth because
we
> > had an atypical open "prairie" winter with little snow and deep frost,
lots
> > of sun, wind, and low humidity. The low temp was only -17 F, and so
damage
> > seems to have been by desiccation, which is not generally the case here,
> > rather than by our usual cold. Such damage is more erratic with the same
> > cultivar having vastly different damage in different locations in the
> > orchard. I have decided that I cannot make any valid conclusions about
> > hardiness based on these results as this kind of winter is only a once
in
> > ten or fifteen year event here. 
> >    I imagine that your winters are generally like our more typical ones
and
> > so these results would have little usefulness for you as well. Recovery
> > rates may have some meaning though, and my assessment on June 6 gives a
> > rating of good for vigorous re-growth to Kristin, Lapins, Sweet Sept.,
> > Attika, Regina, and Schmidt(best).
> > 
> > Ratings are for dieback and are on a scale of 0 - 10, with 0 being dead
and
> > 10 indicating no dieback. Ratings in the first column were made on May
19.
> > The second column(*), on June 6, when recovery assessment of new growth
> > vigor was also noted.
> > 
> > SWEET CHERRIES
> > 
> > KRISTIN      9   *6  
> > LAPINS       9   *8
> >              7   *4
> > ULSTER       7   *4
> > GLACIER      4   *3
> > RAINIER      4   *4
> > VAN          4   *4       
> > SKEENA       7   *4
> > SCHMIDT      9   *7
> > SUMMIT       0
> > SWEET SEPT   9   *7
> > HEDELFINGEN  8   *6
> > CAVALIER     8   *6
> > ATTIKA       2   *3
> > REGINA       6   *4
> > SAM          1   *0              
> > HUDSON       8   *7
> > BLACK GOLD   0
> > 
> > 
> > TART CHERRIES - 10 all
> > 
> > DANUBE 
> > EVANS     
> > METEOR
> > MESABI
> > NORTH STAR
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dave Griffin
> > Cold Spring, MN
> 
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