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["David Doud" <doudone@netusa1.net>]

Gina,  there is an association between oaks and armilaria(sp?) root fungus
(don't have a reference handy,  I'll see what I can turn up tomorrow) - - if
you can expose some of the roots (of the dead apple),  look for a white/tan
net-like fungal structure surrounding the roots - not aware what control
measures consist of  - maybe someone here is more knowledgable about it than
I -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ginda Fisher" <ginda@concentric.net>
To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] replanting apple trees


> Thanks everyone.
>
> John:  Thanks for the informations.  Antonovka will do fine, but I'll
> e-mail and see what's available.  (Unless I decide that planting another
> tree is foolishness.)  (Then again, when has that stopped me. . .)
>
> Tom:  I'm pretty sure the whole tree is dead.  I'm afraid of infection,
> but not of active competition from it.  Besides, my soil is very rocky
> and there's no way I'm digging out 5'x5' for a tree.  I expanded my
> garden by about 8 sq ft this fall (and only one shovel's-blade deep). It
> took an entire day and I still bear the wounds - the rocks fought back.
> If this is a compelling reason not to plant an apple tree there, then I
> won't plant an apple tree!
>
> David:  The shade is provided by a nearby white pine and some oaks.  No
> black walnut within reach, and the nearest maple is plenty far away.
> The spot gets a little more than 1/2 day of sun, I'd guess, mostly in
> the afternoon.  The white pine is slated to be removed some day, but I
> was planning to wait until myh children had outgrown their tree-climbing
> years.  The closest oak is my neighbor's, but I think it's far enough
> away to not be too serious a problem.   There's a wild seedling crab
> growing practically underneath it that's doing great.
>
> Ginda Fisher
> eastern Mass., zone 6
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 09:21 AM, John Bunker wrote:
>
> > on 10/3/02 8:43 AM, Lucky Pittman at lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu
> > wrote:
> >
> > Ginda, Lucky et al:
> >
> > Our apple trees at Fedco are primarily on antanovka which is
> > essentially a
> > standard tree.  My Ashmead's Kernal is about 15' x 15' and is now about
> > 16-18 yrs old.  We do tend to have odds and ends on semi-dwarf and dwarf
> > rootstocks from time to time, usually unlisted in the catalog. Write or
> > email for details or special requests.  We also do custom grafting and
> > can
> > often supply scionwood.  I hope this helps.
> >
> > John Bunker
> > Palermo Maine
> >
> >
> >> At 11:10 PM 10/2/2002 -0400, Ginda wrote:
> >>> 3)  If I do replant with an apple, I'm considering Ashmead's Kernel,
> >>> from
> >>> Fedco.  Of all the mail order apples we've tried from AppleSource,
> >>> this
> >>> was the one the family liked most.  (Among other things, this
> >>> suggests it
> >>> keeps well without refrigeration, as most of the other types tasted
> >>> like
> >>> they'd gotten too warm in shipping.)  Fedco sells standard size
> >>> trees -
> >>> does anyone know how large this one is likely to get in eastern Mass.,
> >>> zone 6?  Does anyone know what rootstock they use for "standard"
> >>> trees?
> >> Ginda,
> >> A 'standard' apple will be grafted onto seedling rootstock.  What
> >> variety,
> >> only John B can tell you.  Antonovka and Ranetka are two of the more
> >> common
> >> seed-strains used for cold-hardy standard rootstocks in many parts of
> >> the US.
> >> Ultimately, you are in control of tree size.  Left unchecked, a
> >> standard
> >> tree can become 'as large as an apartment complex', as Ed Laivo says.
> >> But,
> >> with diligent pruning, you can keep a standard at whatever size you
> >> want
> >> it.  You just have stay on top of it.  Conventional wisdom has it that
> >> apples on 'standard' rootstocks take longer to come into bearing than
> >> those
> >> on dwarfing stocks, but I have no first-hand experience to speak from.
> >>
> >> Lucky Pittman
> >> USDA Zone 6
> >> Hopkinsville, KY
> >>
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