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[Thomas Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hi,

I won't condemn practices handed down by anyone's grandfather.

Some people even drink their own urine all their life long, as a health
tonic.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Bottoms up". (smile)

Regards,
Tom

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Thomas Olenio
Ontario, Hardiness Zone 6a

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, hector black wrote:

> Well, I've loaned out my "Humanure Handbook" which deals with this whole
> subject.  But I believe that fresh urine is pretty well balanced with N,
> K
> and P, and also contains most trace elements.  There are changes as it
> ages,
> but I don't know what they are, except that the N escapes as a gas as
> urine
> ages.  The ammonia smell is part of that.
>
> I've been using it for about 13 years now and learning as I go.  I dilute
> it
> 50% most of the time for soil that is reasonably moist.  If soil quite
> wet,
> I use it 75% or even 100% in spring before rapid growth.  I've noticed
> the
> brown spots where dogs urinate - but haven't studied up on dog urine - I
> expect each creature has differences in its urine.  But in all the years
> I've used human urine (and I learned to do this from my grandfather 60
> years
> ago,  who had a beautiful garden), I've rarely had problems.  The
> problems
> have been with seedlings that were only in second leaf - where I used 50%
> urine and burned them.
>     I did have a problem with cherry tomatoes this year.  Tried just one
> little fertilization with urine at 50% when they were about 1 ft. high,
> and
> they put on too much to leaf.  They're about 8 ft. high and producing
> well,
> but I would rather keep the plants smaller.
>     I've used urine exclusively - the only fertilizer - on my citrus for
> the
> past 3 years and the plants show no chlorosis, have deep green foliage,
> and
> have set and ripened delicious fruits.  This year I upped the urine
> dosage
> to every 3 weeks during summer, and have more flowers and fruit than
> ever.
>     Now, I'm not saying that urine would do as well for any plant.  But
> we
> have used it in the orchard on mayhaw, chestnut, brambles and some other
> plants with good results, and no deaths.
>     Hector Black  zone 6, middle TN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>
> To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] urine
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This thread has come up before.
> >
> > There is so little urea in urine that you would need gallons and
> gallons
> > and gallons, before it would do any good.
> >
> > My guess is that the acidity/salt would kill the plant before any
> > fertilzer value was achieved.
> >
> > Have you ever seen the results of dog marking his territory with
> > urine, using a plant?  Always seen to do vast amounts of harm.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Olenio
> > Ontario, Hardiness Zone 6a
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 ddavidson@mwci.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, wondering,what is the fertilizing value of urine?  How much is
> > > too much, etc.?  Dennis
> > >
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