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Re: [MSAR] Message: 4 - Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:34:19 -0500
- From: "Irvin Lichtenstein" <ilichten1@verizon.net>
- To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] Message: 4 - Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:34:19 -0500
- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:35:55 -0500
Bodies behave under water around here like
anywhere, depending on the temperature and to some extent the pollution level
and flow. Most of the comments seem to indicate the
area was soft and spongy, early Spring thaw and possibly rain. The time of year also tends to be field
prep time, planting time. Combines, corn harvesters, even sickle mowers,
will chew up almost anything and spit it out. However, at least around here, the plows
tend to be loaded so they will avoid breakage on debris in the field.
Many of our farmers operate in public parks and have to be aware of everything
from garbage to dead deer left in the grass (and an occasional body). We
used to find burned out cars frequently in fallow fields. The usual reasons you don’t find
somebody (or evidence they had been there) is you didn’t look or they
were never there. We tend to look to an 80% probability of detection
because looking any more is not resource effective. (To go from 50% to
75% takes the same amount of effort as the first 50%, and the third pass takes
as much effort again to get the next 5-10% increase. There is also loss
of effectiveness of the searchers going through the same area.) Unless this person established a new life
the probabilities of finding enough of him to identify, even with sophisticated
DNA analysis, is so low as to make this a training exercise, not a search. But we are
dealing in probabilities and long shots do come in. One of our first jobs
was a walk-a-way from a VA geriatric center. We worked trackers, dogs,
grids, over the entire reservation of several thousand acres and an adjacent
high school. There was local and interstate bus and rail service
within a hundred yards of the gate and when we cleared the reservation we were
told to stop looking. About three years later a housing development was
being expanded and when a road was put in the identifiable body was found about
a mile outside the VA’s fence. We don’t know when he died in
relation to the search timeframe but it is likely he was living outside the
fence for some time. Irv Lichtenstein From:
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[mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Karen Nesbitt |
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[MSAR] Message: 4 - Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:34:19 -0500,
Karen Nesbitt, 01/30/2010
- Re: [MSAR] Message: 4 - Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:34:19 -0500, Irvin Lichtenstein, 01/30/2010
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