Mounted search and rescue

[Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>]

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:34:19 -0500
From: "Irvin Lichtenstein" <ilichten1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Request for Help--Brandon Swanson Search
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There is a 45 minute cell phone track from the vehicle to the "o-shit".
This should have given you a very good PLK.  The track should also indicate
how disoriented he was.  It is doubtful at this point that visually
identifiable remains will be found after almost 2 years.

It is unlikely that the body is more than a mile from the end of call
location unless he was not disoriented or otherwise diminished in capacity.
I presume a bastard search has been conducted and no evidence of planned
disappearance or transport from the scene has been found.

You mention a river.  If the river is within the probable distance from the
PLK and you believe he fell in and drowned you will not recover anything at
this point unless the water has been cold enough to stop decomposition.

I find it difficult to believe that a farmer would have driven his equipment
over the body if it was reasonably intact at the time.  Most farmers are too

protective of their machines to hit anything in a field. A body would really
mess up the equipment or possibly hang on the plowshares.

Irv Lichtenstein 

        Karen

Some trust in chariots, and others in horses: but we will always remember the name of the Lord our God.  Psalms 20:7..and the bay went forth,  and sought to go to and fro that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth.  So they walked to and fro through the earth. Zec 6:7

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Irv, your not from around here are you!  LOL!  Nothing to do with the Branson Swanson search, but somethings to be aware of....

Depending on time of year and where a victim has fallen into water (or part of country if weather is a factor)  and how soon the drowning occured will make difference of rescue or recovery and location of a body.  From what I understand the victim will go to the bottom first and can surface 7-10 days later in the same area the drowning occured, so if you have a victim in dark water, you run a good chance to miss a vic's body if you do not go deep immediately.  Family member drowned years back and the body was recovered about in the same place he fell in to a river, but the people with him at the time thought the under tow carried him off and could not find him immediately thinking that he should have surfaced.  The river had a good current and logic told them the current carried him it should have gone down stream but that was not the case.  He went to the bottom right where he fell out of the canoe.

As for farm equipment, never underestamate the power of the large equipment these days.  And of course this too is variable on locations in the country.    With some equipment 30 feet wide, a famer is not going to see something on the wingtips of his equipment and a lot of large equipment go through just about anything these days.  So with that in mind, farmers will pretty much only see what is directly in front of them and that can be debatable especially now with like  in our area guys out there in snow with combines.  They go through drifts of snow, they are not apt to see a body in it.  Farming is one of the most dangerous of professions when it comes to equipment.  Many a limb has been lost in machinery.  Just ask anyone who has come away from an equipment disaster.  Those machines will chew you up and spit you out.  Walking away is not always an option.

You cityslickers best Go here.. www.johndeere.com for a feel for what the big boys plow and play with.  Then you just might get a grip on what a field search or recovery elsewhere might end being.

Another thing if a farmers field is on a highway or route regularly taken by disposal trucks, there is a lot of trash and debris in those particular kinds if farm fields on a daily basis and so unless the farmer knows he needs to be looking, he is just going to play through especially with the larger equipment.  Any debris in those areas are just another peice of trash that goes THROUGH EQUIPMENT with the kind of horses under those machines hoods.  And when were talking going through  the equipment, we are not talking the equipment breaking down, we are talking , the trash, carcasses and all goes THROUGH the machine.

When you are talking manure spreaders as large as a semi, or a combine damn near as big as a house, you best guess again on what will be left in the field.

Baring in mind these machines are made to plow through a rock strewn field so a carcass of any kind is not going to slow them down.

You might stand a chance to find a body in a field in Amish country where horsedrawn equipment is still used, but not much of a chance elsewhere. 

Not every where you go is pristine and kept eco friendly.  The roadways, the ditches and even the conservation grounds are littered.

Karen

Proverbs 26:1 - As snow is in summer and as rain in harvest, so honor is not seemingly for a fool.