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  • From: Johnathan Yelenick <yelenick AT riseup.net>
  • To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [Market-farming] G's and Tuffs
  • Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:30:34 -0600

I'm also in the market for a G. A gentleman I talked to today from GA (met him off the Alis Chalmers list: http://www.allischalmers.com) says to be sure the G you get has a hydraulic lift for the cultivator unless you plan on horsing the tool out of the soil every time you want to turn around. He also recommended to me the Tuff-Bilts http://www.tuff-bilt.com/ quite similar in design to the Gs

Johnathan Yelenick
Blacktail Permaculture Farm
South Platte River Watershed of the Short Grass Prairie Steppe Bioregion
near Denver, Colorado
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:01:14 -0400
From: John Ferree <john AT seldomseenfarm.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] cub vs. Allis Chalmers "G"
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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go with the g. what is the max wheel centers you can run with a cub? the g will handle 60 stock, 72 with customization. on five acres i
assume you won't be running on less than 48" centers. if you are
running less than 60" centers. . . and the cub won't handle it. . .
you're sol until you find a replacement tractor. with the g you're up
and running on a wider spacing in a couple hours.

the g isn't so good for potato plowing/hilling. . . though. not enough
weight. maybe my soil is just that heavy. a set of 20" discs just make
it jump beds without front weights. maybe you are more fortunate and
don't have a clay loam.
just make sure you have the cults or access to them before buying. probably true with the cub as well. the 'standard' single row cult for
the g isn't worth too much. look into the planet jr cults and buy as
many as you can find. we have three sets for 60" centers. . . and that
isn't enough. one disc, one beet hoes, one shovels. all for different
spacings. if you go with the old stuff. . . learn how to weld if you
don't know how. if you can't find parts. . . you can always fabricate
them.
there aren't too many parts for the g you can't get. . . at least on
stuff that typically goes bad. . . wires, starter, generator/alternator,
engine parts, clutch. easy to work on. even an engine swap is a half
day event.
ideally, i would like to have a g and a ih 274 or comperable. something
with more weight and a 3pt in addition to the g. much easier to train
people on the g than cultivators. beauty in design.
i would probably go diesel before electic on the g. homebrew bio at
1$/gallon vs the ever expanding electirc bill.

john

stonecirclefarm tds.net wrote:
Given that you plan to expand, I'd go with the G. It is a very
desirable item on vegetable farms. Allis parts can be harder to find
and expensive but my experience (with an AC model B) is that they are
very reliable tractors. I would not put any weight to the belly mower
for the G or the sickle bar mower. Once you get your cultivation
system set up on the G, or the Cub, you'll want to leave it on so that
you can get out to cultivate at a moments notice.

-John

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Curtis Millsap <cmillsap1 AT yahoo.com
<mailto:cmillsap1 AT yahoo.com>> wrote:

Does anyone have experience on both a Cub and a "G"? The scenario
is that I've got an option to buy either one; the cub comes with
cultivators and a sickle bar in a rusty heap, although the tractor
runs great, and has a hydraulic lift for belly mounted stuff. The
Allis Chalmers "G" comes with cultivators set up, and a belly
mower which worked fairly recently. It also allegedly runs good,
although the first time I went to see it the owner couldn't get it
to start (he did come by the next day and tell me it's running
good now). The Cub is $1500, the "G" is $3,000. I currently have
2 acres in vegetables, and am looking to expand to 5 acres soon,
after which I would need to start looking for land to lease before
I can expand further. So far we have used our 4x4 Ford 1720 with
front loader to do all the garden work, and we haven't tried any
cultivating with it yet, but I'm pretty sold on the idea of belly
mounted cultivators... I would love any input on these two
options, pros or cons. By the way, I have looked in to the
electric conversions of "G"s, and I love the idea, although not
the price tag. I plan to primarily use this for cultivation, and
probably potato hilling and digging. Thanks for any info you might
have.
Curtis
Curtis and Sarah Millsap
Millsap Farm
Springfield MO
417-833-3842
www.millsapfarms.com <http://www.millsapfarms.com>
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