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  • From: shepherd ogden <shepogden AT yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: [Market-farming] Bone Meal vs Collodial Phosphate
  • Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:31:04 -0700 (PDT)

RE: Coleman's Soil Mix recipe. It is my understanding that steamed bone meal is not a good source of phosphorus as that is whay they are extracting by the steam process. Also the C Phos has clay like properties that contribute to the blocking mix texture.
 
Shepherd Ogden

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Today's Topics:

1. Coleman's Soil Mix (Allan Balliett)
2. Re: 20% Vinegar for weed control - mechanism for action
(Mayapple Farm and Gardens)
3. Re: Re: 20% Vinegar for weed control (Alan Whitaker)
4. RE: How to keep fox out of chicken tractor? (mtlivestock)
5. Animal power (mtlivestock)


> ATTACHMENT part 3.1 message/rfc822
From: Allan Balliett
Subject: [Market-farming] Coleman's Soil Mix
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 05:29:37 -0400
To: Market Farming

Recipe below.

My questions (if you use Coleman's mix)

1. What is your source for "peat humus' (and do you have an economical source for coir?)
2. Why greensand for potassium when I have read that greensand may not be 'available' to the plants for 2 years?
3. Is steamed bone meal a reasonable substitute for colloidal phospate?

Thanks

-Allan

recipe from ATTRA:

Organic potting mix
1 part sphagnum peat or coir
1 part peat humus (short fiber)
1 part compost
1 part sharp sand (builder's)

to every 80 qts. of this add:

1 cup greensand
1 cup colloidal phosphate
1 1/2 to 2 cups crabmeal, or bloodmeal
1/2 cup lime



> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
From: Mayapple Farm and Gardens
Subject: [Market-farming] Re: 20% Vinegar for weed control - mechanism for
action
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 04:33:58 -0700 (PDT)
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

This may have already been discussed since I don't
find time to read very much this time of year.

How does the acetic acid work? Hopefully not by
drastically altering the soil chemistry! Is it broad
spectrum, e.g will it kill the yellow nutsedge that is
growing on a couple of my compost piles (ya just can't
trust other people's putriscibles)? Can I use it on
row middles without affecting a crop? If these are
too many questions, maybe somebody would be kind
enough to point me to a good website.

Thanks,
Kevin



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Krystyna L. Prochocki
Kevin L. Strohmeier
May Apple Farm and Gardens
4020 N. Grandview Church Rd.
Big Spring, KY 40175
270/828-4953
mayapplefarm AT yahoo.com




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> ATTACHMENT part 3.3 message/rfc822
From: "Alan Whitaker"
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: 20% Vinegar for weed control
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:06:28 -0500
To: "Market Farming"

>
> And how is your equipment holding up after exposure to this?
> What are your cleanup procedures?
>

I haven't tried it yet. I've gotten some sample from the manufacturer to
play with.
If it kills the bermuda, I'll rig myself up a boom sprayer using a plastic
tank or barrel. Or borrow my neighbors setup to experiment. I'm not
going to the expense till I know it'll work, so first the samples.




> ATTACHMENT part 3.4 message/rfc822
From: "mtlivestock"
Subject: [Market-farming] RE: How to keep fox out of chicken tractor?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:58:51 -0600
To:

Paul,

You need a goose! We raised about 300 meat birds and 100 layer chicks for
the last few years. A gander would spend his days and nights among them.
We left our cages open 24/7. I doubt we lost more than three. And those
were to hawks. I have hawks, weasels, skunks, eagles, coyotes, and even an
occasional bear on my place. But the goose never allowed them by the
chicks. Besides that his screaming would bring us at a dead run. Predators
soon learned, a goose and a stressed-out, fry-pan toting lady were not to be
messed with!!! (I banged on the pan and not as a weapon if that is what you
are thinking!)

Our gander would start by "helping" feed the chicks in the shed where the
brooder was located. We would hold him up so he could see them and call to
them. When the chicks were almost ready, we would put the goose in with
them while feeding only. In four to six weeks, we would turn over the
chicks to the gander in our pasture. He rarely left them, and he always
kept them in his sight.

He was very people friendly! He eventually became quite the celebrity.
Everyone came to the farm to visit him and watch him work.

Our goose has gone to live with a nice couple and their two lady geese. We
felt he deserved a family of his own. We are not raising meat chicks this
year.

It is surprising how much we miss him. If you ever heard goose outside your
bedroom window at 5am, you will know why we are so surprised at missing him!

I am not sure how many other goose out there would do this. But it was our
solution.

Christina





> ATTACHMENT part 3.5 message/rfc822
From: "mtlivestock"
Subject: [Market-farming] Animal power
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:22:50 -0600
To:

Liz mentioned this, so I will ask. Anyone on this list using cattle or
horses for draft power? I would like to get into draft power. I hate gas
powered engines due the noise, smell, and the fuel costs!!

I am in the process of training my mule to pull logs for firewood and a
stoneboat for feeding hay in winter.

I do visit the Rural Heritage Magazine website. I will be getting the
magazine soon. And I belong to a few draft lists. I bought a great draft
horse book. I also have several years of Mule Magazine someone gave us.

Don't caution me on the labor, time, and harness costs. I have done my
research. I know this is feasible and will help double my work output.
This is also supposed to be my "stress-relief" as working with this mule
tends to be for me. The mule was cheap, and I have quite a bit of the
equipment/tack. I can build or have built most equipment cheaply except for
the work harness and collar.

I know some techniques and have progressed okay. I just want to get further
ahead on training before hubby's back decides more tractors and smelly
machines should be around the place!

Christina



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