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  • From: "maureen bostock" <maureenbostock AT hotmail.com>
  • To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [Market-farming] RE: Market-farming Digest, Vol 13, Issue 16
  • Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:36:18 -0800

Hi everyone,
Gai Lan is available from West Coast Seeds out of British Columbia, Canada.
Regarding GMO contamination: contamination of field peas would be unlikely as there are no gmo varieties of field peas out there to my knowledge. However if the field peas were harvested in an unclean combine and the previous crop contained gmo canola you might have a contamination problem. The best way to assure yourself that you are not importing gmo contamination is to buy organic seed, and if not buy certified seed which has been cleaned of other seeds. Common seed might be the place where you would find gmo seed mixed in with your field peas. Even then however field peas are a large seed and easy to clean, so common field peas might not be as much of a problem as common seed where the seed size is small. I think gmo contamination is going to be a big problem over the next few years, but mostly from pollen drift when you are growing a crop which is in a field downwind from a gmo variety. It makes a lot of sense to ask what your neighbour is growing. The number of acres to gmo corn, gmo canola and gmo soybeans is staggering. Monsanto is wanting to release gmo wheat into the marketplace. If they do that farmers who currently produce organic wheat on the prairies may lose their livelihoods. Maureen


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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Re: Excel greenhouse? (Joan Vibert)
2. Can you recommend an economical source for bulk cover crop
seed? (Allan Balliett)
3. Re: Can you recommend an economical source for bulk cover
crop seed? (jjvaughn AT juno.com)
4. Broccollini (Joan Vibert)
5. RE: Can you recommend an economical source for bulkcover crop
seed? (Marie Kamphefner)
6. Re: Can you recommend an economical source for bulk cover
crop seed? (Allan Balliett)
7. Re: Can you recommend an economical source for bulk cover
c... (HMSTDFRMS AT aol.com)
8. Re: Broccollini (Pat Meadows)
9. Re: Broccollini (Dcimmarr AT aol.com)
10. Length of light (Joan Vibert)
11. Re: Broccollini (Joan Vibert)
12. Re: Broccollini (Dcimmarr AT aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:33:38 -0600
From: Joan Vibert <joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Excel greenhouse?
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <BC53B812.DD89%joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
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Jackie - I just spent the morning trying to find that - its
www.exccelgreenhouses.com

It was the two c's that was throwing me. No prices on their website though
- I just email them. I also didn't see a 28' - just 20' and 24'.

Joan
Windwalker Farm
Ottawa, Kansas



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:08:56 -0500
From: Allan Balliett <igg AT igg.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source for
bulk cover crop seed?
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <a06010201bc542245425e@[192.168.123.143]>
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I'm primarily looking for field peas in 50lb lots, but will be
looking for other cover crop seeds as well. Not looking for organic
this season, but will buy if affordable. Untreated and non-GMO, a
priority, of course. Best, I guess, would be an east of the
mississippi source.

Thanks _Allan Balliett


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:21:25 -0600
From: jjvaughn AT juno.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
for bulk cover crop seed?
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Have you tried Welter Seeds in Iowa? 1-800-728-8450. Haven't done
business with them- their catalog recently came with SGF or SFT. Looks
like a good mix of forage and cover crop seed. Field peas are 18.00 per
50 lb and they pay 1/2 of the shipping.


Jim

Jim and Julie Vaughn
Rocky Glade Farm
Eagleville, Tn 37060-4102


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:52:59 -0600
From: Joan Vibert <joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Broccollini
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <BC53BC9B.DD8B%joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
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Does anyone know if broccolini and rapini are the same? similar? And there
is sprouting broccoli. Have any of you grown these, where did you find
seeds, how did they grow and sell for you. I've ordered the rapini and
sprouting broccoli from Baxter Creek but haven't found the broccolini - not
even In Bill McKay's catalog - so I'm wondering if there isn't another name
for it.

Thanks -

Joan
Windwalker Farm
Ottawa, Kansas



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:03:31 -0600
From: "Marie Kamphefner" <kampy AT grm.net>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
for bulkcover crop seed?
To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <000001c3f34e$c79c8c30$7a688bd8@your7x1ttcs5lk>
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We get ours from Albert Lea Seed Company, in Albert Lea Minnesota.

Marie in Missouri






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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:50:27 -0500
From: Allan Balliett <igg AT igg.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
for bulk cover crop seed?
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Field peas are 18.00 per 50 lb and they pay 1/2 of the shipping.

Man, now you are talking! Although I love them dearly, I'd hate to
tell you what i paid SEEDS of CHANGE for 50lb of Austrian peas a
while back!!

This reminds me of another question: aside from contamination, can we
pretty safely rely on GMO products being MAREKETED to us and not
simply sold as generic crops? Or is there some sort of 'registry',
so, that even though it illogical that an $18 bag of field peas would
be genetically engineered, I'd have some way to really feel like I'd
done all I could to make sure that they weren't? (I'm aware of the
contamination issues, unfortunately.) Thanks -Allan


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:35:20 EST
From: HMSTDFRMS AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
for bulk cover c...
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Sorry for not paying attention....but I missed where we can order field peas
for $18/50#. Could you repost the information? Thanks.
Linda
Homestead Farms
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:09:58 -0500
From: Pat Meadows <pat AT meadows.pair.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:52:59 -0600, you wrote:

>Does anyone know if broccolini and rapini are the same? similar? And there
>is sprouting broccoli. Have any of you grown these, where did you find
>seeds, how did they grow and sell for you. I've ordered the rapini and
>sprouting broccoli from Baxter Creek but haven't found the broccolini - not
>even In Bill McKay's catalog - so I'm wondering if there isn't another name
>for it.
>

Maybe 'broccoli raab'?

I'm not sure of the relationships involved but I *think*
that broccoli raab, rapini, and sprouting broccoli are the
same thing.

I've no idea what 'broccolini' is.

Pat


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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:34:39 EST
From: Dcimmarr AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Broccolini is one of those relatively new hybrid vegetables, a cross between
broccoli and Chinese kale or gai lan. It was developed by a Japanese seed
company, the Sakata Seed Co. of America in Morgan Hill, Calif., and took about
eight years to perfect. Broccolini is also known as asparation - probably
intended to hint at an association with asparagus because the vegetable has a small
floret at the end of an asparagus-like stalk. This is in a way related to
rapini but it is not the same thing. Rapini does not produce the nice slim stalks
but rather produces a very, very slim stalk with bunches of leafy material.
With rapini, leafy material is cooked with flower stalks whereas brocolini only
the stalks are cooked.
I do not know if the seed is available yet as seed was only being distributed
to a few select growers in CA.
Denise

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:52:47 -0600
From: Joan Vibert <joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Length of light
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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We have 14 flats of onions in the basement growing area right now that I'd
like to move to the hoophouse in another week, assuming the weather
moderates a little, since I'll critically need the basement space. These
are all under lights that I keep on for about 15 hours a day. I'd always
heard that seedlings need around that amount of light daily. Now I'm
wondering what happens when the onions get moved into the hoophouse with
about 11 hours of light daily. Will this cause problems. I'm growing the
red Italian bottle onion and the little purplettes and I didn't see anything
in Johnny's about day-length on either of them.

Of course, having written this, I really have no choice since I need the
room - I guess I just need to know if I should worry or not about them!!!

Joan
Windwalker Farm
Ottawa, Kansas



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:25:08 -0600
From: Joan Vibert <joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <BC54DD64.DE03%joan AT windwalker-farm.com>
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Thanks, Denise, that was a wealth of information and at least I have more
information to keep on searching -

Joan
Windwalker Farm
Ottawa, Kansas



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:38:02 EST
From: Dcimmarr AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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I am not toatally sure but I think the way the seed deal works is: The
person(company, etc) that comes up with a new seed (plant, etc. ) patents it and
then has the rights to that seed for a specified number of years. During that
time, seed is not readily available except to selected growers...in order to make
a profit return on the expense it took to get the final seed. I believe that
time frame is ten years, but dont quote me on that. Before that time, I doubt
you would find seed commercially available.
Denise
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