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  • From: "Judy Lynn" <thlady_saint AT hotmail.com>
  • To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: RE: [Market-farming] ADMIN: spam
  • Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:34:52 -0800

I have noticed no extra spam that would be because of this list... the usual spam I get is from me visiting websites needing more information on things.. and a couple seed websites, none have been coming from your direction. Thank you !


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[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Liz Pike
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:08 AM
To: Market Farming
Subject: [Market-farming] ADMIN: spam

Have you noticed an increase in spam for each posting to the list?? I've
noticed it myself and another member has brought it to my attention.
There's a setting I can choose to obscure email addresses, but I don't know
how or if it will work. Would y'all like me to set it to obscure and see
how it goes?? I know there's private conversing that goes on, & I like to
see members email addies, but not at the risk of everyone getting spammed.
Let me know what you think.

Liz Pike
Laughingbrook Farm
Westfield NC
http://www.marketfarming.com
http://www.laughingbrookfarm.com


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Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 03/13/2003 >From pbucciaglia AT yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 19:04:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org Received: from web41603.mail.yahoo.com (web41603.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.103]) by happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DF4020061 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:04:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20030318000633.61304.qmail AT web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.41.233] by web41603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:06:33 PST Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:06:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bucciaglia To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org In-Reply-To: <20030317163753.08317200C9 AT happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-592923353-1047945993=:59784" Subject: [Market-farming] Re: Eggplant and flea beatles X-BeenThere: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Market Farming List-Id: Market Farming List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:04:55 -0000 --0-592923353-1047945993=:59784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have found, in a couple locations in New England, that nitrogen fertility has a lot to do with flea beatle problems. Before I start spouting on that, let me say that there are a few other really important parameters: -there are several different species of flea beatles, and as I recall some like brassicas and some like solanaceous crops--which species you have can determine which crops get damaged -how well you rotate crops (and pay attention to which beatles like which crops) -in my experience, asian greens, no matter how well fertilized, will be swiss cheese in the spring unless grown under floating row cover. Ok, so the deal on nitrogen: at least with spring European brassicas (broc et al), I have found that giving a good shot of reasonably quickly available nitrogen fertilizer at transplanting and again 3 weeks later at the second or so cultivation (I used a bagged organic blended fert) will make sure they don't 'stall' for nutrients. In my experience, this is where your plants get nailed: they stress after transplaning, don't get enough N, start going a little cholorotic, which to a hungry flea beatle is a big neon sign that says "EAT HERE". I have less anecdotal info on eggplants, but I have only seen mild infestations of flea beatles that the plants rapidly outgrow. I do the same fert regimen for eggies that I do for brassicas. Basically I grow my transplants in compost based media, and use fish emulsion as required. Two weeks before transplaning I start getting mildly abusive to my plants: I withhold fert (not to the point where you SEE nutrient stress though) and let them wilt a few times and also get pretty darn hot. Cruel to be kind, the more ready a plant is for field environment, the better off it will be. I soak them good before transplanting, and then plant with a mechanical finger transplanter. OK, heres the other deal: Compost is great. I love it. I wish I had some! (I just moved to a new farm I am renting). The problem is in the spring, when the soil is cold, it is releasing its nutrients (especiall N) VERY slowly. This is hard on your plants. N in soil organic matter follows the same pattern--very slow release in spring, rapid release in summer and early fall. Therefore, even if you have high OM and use compost, your plants may need a shot of more soluble fert in the spring. I use a blood meal/bone meal/seed meal based fert when I plant that helps get them on their way. As long as I am ranting and raving, I'd also like to point out that using a lot of compost or manure can cause the same pollution problems as conventional fert. If you apply enough compost or manure so that there is enough nutirents in cold soil in the spring, when it warms up all that mineralziaion in the summer is often more than plants can take up so there are losses of N to ground water (nitrate pollution) and P to surface water (where it is great algae fertilizer). So a balanced fert plan can help keep an even supply of nutrients and limit losses of nutrients from the farm. I'd like to here more results with Kaolin clay, I just bought 25 #'s from the NOFA bulk order--any luck on flea beatles, striped cucumber beatles? I tried using it on spuds one year (for leaf hopper control) but found it washed off too quickly to be economically feasible on large plantings. GOing to try to spray trnasplants before plaing this year. happy spring, Paul Bucciaglia Fort Hill Farm, New Milford, CT --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-592923353-1047945993=:59784 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have found, in a couple locations in New England, that nitrogen fertility has a lot to do with flea beatle problems.  Before I start spouting on that, let me say that there are a few other really important parameters:

-there are several different species of flea beatles, and as I recall some like brassicas and some like solanaceous crops--which species you have can determine which crops get damaged

-how well you rotate crops (and pay attention to which beatles like which crops)

-in my experience, asian greens, no matter how well fertilized, will be swiss cheese in the spring unless grown under floating row cover.

Ok, so the deal on nitrogen:  at least with spring European brassicas (broc et al), I have found that giving a good shot of reasonably quickly available nitrogen fertilizer at transplanting and again 3 weeks later at the second or so cultivation (I used a bagged organic blended fert) will make sure they don't 'stall' for nutrients.  In my experience, this is where your plants get nailed:  they stress after transplaning, don't get enough N, start going a little cholorotic, which to a hungry flea beatle is a big neon sign that says "EAT HERE". 

I have less anecdotal info on eggplants, but I have only seen mild infestations of flea beatles that the plants rapidly outgrow.  I do the same fert regimen for eggies that I do for brassicas.

Basically I grow my transplants in compost based media, and use fish emulsion as required.  Two weeks before transplaning I start getting mildly abusive to my plants: I withhold fert (not to the point where you SEE nutrient stress though) and let them wilt a few times and also get pretty darn hot.  Cruel to be kind, the more ready a plant is for field environment, the better off it will be.  I soak them good before transplanting, and then plant with a mechanical finger transplanter.

OK, heres the other deal: Compost is great.  I love it.  I wish I had some!  (I just moved to a new farm I am renting).  The problem is in the spring, when the soil is cold, it is releasing its nutrients (especiall N) VERY slowly.  This is hard on your plants.  N in soil organic matter follows the same pattern--very slow release in spring, rapid release in summer and early fall.  Therefore, even if you have high OM and use compost, your plants may need a shot of more soluble fert in the spring.  I use a blood meal/bone meal/seed meal based fert when I plant that helps get them on their way.  As long as I am ranting and raving, I'd also like to point out that using a lot of compost or manure can cause the same pollution problems as conventional fert.  If you apply enough compost or manure so that there is enough nutirents in cold soil in the spring, when it warms up all that mineralziaion in the summer is often more than plants can take up so there are losses of N to ground water (nitrate pollution) and P to surface water (where it is great algae fertilizer).  So a balanced fert plan can help keep an even supply of nutrients and limit losses of nutrients from the farm.

I'd like to here more results with Kaolin clay, I just bought 25 #'s from the NOFA bulk order--any luck on flea beatles, striped cucumber beatles?  I tried using it on spuds one year (for leaf hopper control) but found it washed off too quickly to be economically feasible on large plantings.  GOing to try to spray trnasplants before plaing this year.

happy spring,

Paul Bucciaglia

Fort Hill Farm, New Milford, CT



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