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- From: "Shelley Pasco" <whistle AT halcyon.com>
- To: market farming <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: Bone meal, dried blood
- Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:55:29 -0800
Liz, I think what scares me more about these products are the unknowns. I
remember hearing that no one could be sure that steaming or baking bone meal
would render the mad-cow prions inactive. There's just no way to know
because it can have an incubation period of up to 20 years. Who's been
testing that? Sojourner said that there haven't been any cases found here
(YET). There may be animals or people running around with the prions in
their systems, just waiting to become active.
The thing is, I'm not certain enough that it's safe. I don't want to absorb
these things.
I wouldn't mind composting offal from my own animals that have been feed
only vegetable proteins, but not if they've been fed animal products.
Shelley
Whistling Train Farm
Kent, WA
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>From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
>To: "market farming" <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: Re: Bone meal, dried blood
>Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 9:27 AM
>
> I received this reply from another source. Any comments please??
> (This is what drives me nuts in farming. I know, I know, part
> science, part magic. At least I KNOW what's in my compost & manure
> from the start.)
>
>> Hi Liz - any bone meal that can be purchased around here has been
> high pressure steam processed. As a result it is as pathogen free as
> your home canned foods or pressure cooked meals would be...at least.
> And, it is FAR more pathogen free than compost or manure can be made
> yet we use them freely and even encourage their use, right?
>>
>> I think it is important to remember, since this subject has come up
> before and probably will again, that we are not talking human or even
> domestic animal (as in pets) bones and blood here; sources known to
> cross the pathogenic barrier. These are slaughterhouse products and
> as such are not noted for communicable disease pathogens with the
> exception of possible e-coli contamination. The steam processing thus
> makes them far less pathogen-free than is the steak or chicken you
> bring home from the store.
>>
>> Please believe that I mean no criticism of you for asking this. You
> are not the first, but it always strikes me as curious that gardeners
> who freely use dirt and compost and manures and mouldy leaves and
> heaven knows what else in their gardens (even chemicals) fear these
> products for some reason and I am at a loss to explain it. Even if
> the products weren't so heavily processed, their very nature renders
> them far more 'sterile' than rotten kitchen veggies or many other
> things we use freely. I hope this reassures you somewhat.
>
> Liz
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
>
>
>
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Re: Bone meal, dried blood,
Elizabeth Pike, 02/03/2000
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Bone meal, dried blood, Sojourner, 02/03/2000
- Re: Bone meal, dried blood, Shelley Pasco, 02/03/2000
- Re: Bone meal, dried blood, Sojourner, 02/03/2000
- Re: Bone meal, dried blood, Shelley Pasco, 02/03/2000
- Re: Bone meal, dried blood, Sojourner, 02/03/2000
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