Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[tradingpost@lobo.net]

I think Lynn had a good point there. Might add that all the major 
scientific orgs worldwide that support manmade CO2 warming - and they 
all do - surely know of Milankovitch and dismiss it as unsuported theory 
as to cause of current warming for last 2 centuries.

All that aside, the main thing is we still have climate changes to cope 
with, & from all evidence, severe problems in the very near future - not 
50 or 100 years from now. Farming is vulnerable. I'm vulnerable.

The other challenges to prepare for are not so predictable. Economy 
predictions are all over the road. But I'll bet nothing is going to get 
cheaper to buy. Oil & gas is deceptive right now but when the cost of 
getting it out of the ground rises to meet the producer's price - & it's 
headed that way now - production will just stop. No matter how much 
reserves left in the ground. Why? Because it takes energy to produce 
energy. And BTW it also takes a lot of energy to make solar panels & 
batteries.

SOOO I grow without fossil fuel inputs, fertilizers & pesticides, but 
for now I must rely on driving to markets & elsewhere. And I don't have 
a Plan B.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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You wrote:

According to the Milankovitch Cycle theory, the temperature fluctuation 
on the changed orbit would be an increase in temperature of 6.8% higher 
at it's worst position to the sun, in ~26,000 years.  It's all theory, 
based on warming trends and studying ice cores.   If it's true and then 
you add the greenhouse effect to THAT, we are talking some serious heat 
on the planet.

"Currently the Earth is tilted at 23.44 degrees from its orbital plane, 
roughly halfway between its extreme values. The tilt is in the 
decreasing phase of its cycle, and will reach its minimum value around 
the year 11,800 CE ; the last maximum was reached in 8,700 BCE. This 
trend, by itself, tends to make winters warmer and summers colder with 
an overall cooling trend leading to an ice age, but the 20th century 
instrumental temperature record shows a sudden rise in global 
temperatures and a concurring glacial melt has led the scientific 
community to attribute recent changes to greenhouse gas emissions.[7]


Precession is the trend in the direction of the Earth's axis of 
rotation relative to the fixed stars, with a period of roughly 26,000 
years. This gyroscopic motion is due to the tidal forces exerted by the 
Sun and the Moon on the solid Earth, which has the shape of an oblate 
spheroid rather than a sphere. The Sun and Moon contribute roughly 
equally to this effect.
When the axis points toward the Sun in perihelion, one polar hemisphere 
has a greater difference between the seasons while the other has milder 
seasons. The hemisphere that is in summer at perihelion receives much of 
the corresponding increase in solar radiation, but that same hemisphere 
in winter at aphelion has a colder winter. The other hemisphere will 
have a relatively warmer winter and cooler summer.
When the Earth's axis is aligned such that aphelion and perihelion 
occur near the equinoxes, the Northern and Southern Hemispheres will 
have similar contrasts in the seasons.
At present, perihelion occurs during the southern hemisphere's summer, 
and aphelion is reached during the southern winter. Thus the southern 
hemisphere seasons are somewhat more extreme than the northern 
hemisphere seasons, when other factors are equal."




-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Montgomery <sunfarm@toast.net>
To: livingontheland <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] warming trends


These orbital fluctuations take place over such a long time, there is 
no way they could be the cause of the dramatic rise in global temps we 
are experiencing. It matters not what the cause when one encounters 
this:

Recently, scientist Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Project 
on Climate Change Communication was interviewed on PBS's Bill Moyers. 
The following is an excerpt:

""Wow, you know, four, five degrees, that doesn't sound like very much. 
I mean, I see the temperature change more from night to day." But it's 
the wrong way to think about it. I mean, think about when you get sick 
and you get a fever, okay. Your body is usually at, you know, 98.7 
degrees.
If your temperature rises by one degree you feel a little off, but you 
can still go to work. You're fine. It rises by two degrees and you're 
now feeling sick, in fact you're probably going to take the day off 
because you definitely don't feel good. And in fact, you're getting 
everything from hot flashes to cold chills, okay.
At three you're starting to get really sick. And at four degrees and 
five degrees your brain is actually slipping into a coma, okay, you're 
close to death. I think there's an analogy here of that little 
difference in global average temperature just like that little 
difference in global body temperature can have huge implications as you 
keep going. And so unfortunately the world after two and especially 
after three degrees starts getting much more frightening, and that's 
exactly what the scientists keep telling us. But will we pay attention 
to those warning signs?"

 "The altar cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
     -Mark Twain

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