Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[Dan Conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com>]

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> The snag in living in tune with nature is we're part of nature, it's part of us. We are not separate and apart from it; that's where the problem lies. 
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> paul tradingpost@lobo.net

I've heard that statement a lot, and tried to understand how it can be 
reconciled with the state of things. We can't have it both ways. Either 
the imagination (including all that we regard as 'human civilization and 
reason') is part of nature's needs, or it is not. If it is a beneficial 
part of the natural world, then it will survive somehow. If it destroys 
the natural world that spawned it, then that will be the end of even the 
possibility of our re-populating the earth with 'kinder, gentler' people.
Humans have rarely been able to control their own physical desires for 
'more, better, faster', and the arguments about how we should all 'just 
get along' or about how we are 'special' and preserved are all based on 
anthropocentric views. A holistic view doesn't paint humans in any 
favorable long-term light. Our occupation of the Earth is short-lived 
and self-destructive. The evolution of destructiveness is natural. That 
doesn't mean it has to continue, or that it is a sustainable prospect 
for a species. Any species that evolves in such a way that it overcomes 
its environment goes extinct or shrinks in size through attrition and 
evolution.
Humans use their imagination and ego to prop up an artificial 
environment with long-buried energy and resources that are poisonous to 
living creatures.
No, we are not exactly 'separate' from nature in physical form, but we 
have separated ourselves from nature in our minds so that we can justify 
conquering and exploiting everything that we have /imagined to be/ 
separate from /us /(an imaginary separation to nature, but not to modern 
human conquerculture).
Thus, in the human idea of existence, /we/ created the separation 
(justified by 'God's Word, or Manifest Destiny, or Free Markets or 
Democratic Choice'), yet some would use the pre-sapiens 'nature' to 
'fix' the artificial civilization of the human imagination.
The "civilized" human is insane as far as the uncivilized world's 
systems are concerned.

"Reason's got nuthin' to do with it."  - Mr. Gibbs, "Pirates of the 
Caribbean"

Dan C.
Belgium, WI
>   
> > Paul wrote: "What is 'living in tune with nature'?"
> >
> > My semi-scientific, logical answer is that all species produce some kind 
> > of usefulness for their (nature's) future over and above what they 
> > consume in resources. Erwin Schroedinger (yes, the guy with the cat in 
> > the box) called Life the "Anti-Entropy" force. For humans to be 
> > considered as 'in tune' with nature, they would have to collectively be 
> > putting more back than they take.
> > Anyone who believes that some form of capitalism/democracy/humanism is 
> > going to do that is fooling themselves. Everything about our idea of 
> > 'civilization' is oriented toward taking advantage of nature for the 
> > profit of humans until nature fails, then trying to 'fix' something up 
> > just to keep doing the same things.
> >
> > Lots of people like to say they 'want to live in tune with nature', but 
> > doing so goes against everything in the human imagination since we 
> > evolved it. To live in tune with nature requires that humans all get a 
> > lobotomy and become apes again.
> >
> > "This will all end in tears. I know it."  -Marvin the Paranoid Android
> >
> >
> >
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