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  • From: "Lawren Pulse" <lawren@procast.com>
  • To: <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Livingontheland Digest, Vol 160, Issue 3
  • Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:19:51 -0700

I like this thinking but what does 40% of the necessity of living mean? How
do we get that #? I know we used to spend 25% of our paychecks on food in
the 50's but wondering how we get 40%? Thanks!

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: The End of Food (Dan Conine)
2. Re: The End of Food (E. E. Mitchamore Jr)
3. extra high tech food production (Ken Hargesheimer)
4. extra high tech food production (Ken Hargesheimer)
5. Re: extra high tech food production (Tradingpost)
6. Re: extra high tech food production (Ken Hargesheimer)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:34:11 -0500
From: "Dan Conine" <dconine@bertramwireless.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The End of Food
To: <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Yeah, but the system is already failing with 6 billion, so there is no WAY
we are going to reach 9 billion in 2050 without a Black Swan (miracle).

The number isn't that important, anyway. What matters is how much food is
being produced per person, and how many people are being used to do it. If
food is 40% of the necessity of living (water included, then 20% for shelter
and 20% for clothing and 20% caring for those who can't care for
themselves-babies, elderly, etc), then 40% of the people should be engaged
in producing it, or at least 40% of their money should be spent on it, to
pay for the 40% of their life that it is worth.

That 40% is coming from somewhere, mostly from the future right now.

Humans will be paying it, one way or another; even if it means reducing our
numbers to fit the number that are producing food without stealing it from
the future.

Dan C.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:31:10 -0500
From: "E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The End of Food
To: <dconine@bertramwireless.com>, "Healthy soil and sustainable
growing" <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
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It's really interesting to listen to the national news right now and be
reminded how many people are dedicated just to moving "money" around.

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz
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From: Dan Conine
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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The End of Food


Yeah, but the system is already failing with 6 billion, so there is no WAY
we are going to reach 9 billion in 2050 without a Black Swan (miracle).

The number isn't that important, anyway. What matters is how much food is
being produced per person, and how many people are being used to do it. If
food is 40% of the necessity of living (water included, then 20% for shelter
and 20% for clothing and 20% caring for those who can't care for
themselves-babies, elderly, etc), then 40% of the people should be engaged
in producing it, or at least 40% of their money should be spent on it, to
pay for the 40% of their life that it is worth.

That 40% is coming from somewhere, mostly from the future right now.

Humans will be paying it, one way or another; even if it means reducing
our numbers to fit the number that are producing food without stealing it
from the future.

Dan C.


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:01:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Livingontheland] extra high tech food production
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If you want a shock for high tech food production just read the article in
the September SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Livingontheland] extra high tech food production
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My email, all of a sudden went, and who knows why. The Sept 08 Scientific
American magazine has a article about growing food in a tower. The first
paragraph is totally false.Ken Hargesheimer



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:00:09 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] extra high tech food production
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Those hi tech methods will never be available to the poorest billion of the
world's population. And they can only get more expensive for the rest due to
their need for high energy inputs.

We've promoted low-input, soil building, decentralized, home food production
that's practical for the masses. It's how to feed the world instead of
feeding the bank accounts of the parasites. We were on the right track
along.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 9/16/2008 at 5:01 PM Ken Hargesheimer wrote:

>If you want a shock for high tech food production just read the article
>in the September SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:04:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] extra high tech food production
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org, Tradingpost
<tradingpost@lobo.net>
Message-ID: <513913.95243.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I wrote a letter to the editor of SA.? Others might do the same. ? Ken
Hargesheimer

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:

From: Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] extra high tech food production
To: minifarms2@yahoo.com, livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 12:00 AM

Those hi tech methods will never be available to the poorest billion of the
world's population. And they can only get more expensive for the rest due to
their need for high energy inputs.

We've promoted low-input, soil building, decentralized, home food production
that's practical for the masses. It's how to feed the world instead of
feeding the bank accounts of the parasites. We were on the right track
along.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 9/16/2008 at 5:01 PM Ken Hargesheimer wrote:

>If you want a shock for high tech food production just read the article
>in the September SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
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