Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Phil Bunch" <pbunch@cox.net>]

:-) Ya I just couldn't resist it.

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TradingPostPaul
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:00 PM
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The "housing bubble" implosion


No one here is predicting some sudden, catastrophic collapse like the y2k
stuff. The official reports are quite bad enough. 

Read what Bernanke (head of Federal Reserve) just said
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19058.htm

and just for starters:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/business/11fed.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7176255.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7219869
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/turk/2008/0109.html
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2008-01/12/content_6389349.htm
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WALL_STREET?SITE=TXSAE&SECTION=BUSINE

SS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/business/05econ.html
http://ga3.org/ct/lpNVpX61NYwg/
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1217/p01s01-usec.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4078401&page=1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/06/AR2007120601
052.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1231/p13s01-wogi.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=OVEHPHGIHWD1XQFIQMGCF
FWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/money/2007/12/10/bcnusa110.xml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/nov/03/food.climatechange
http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/12/07/after-we-lose-our-homes-is-our-retirement-
next/
http://www.agweekly.com/articles/2007/11/27/news/ag_news/news19.txt

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 1/14/2008 at 1:14 PM Phil Bunch wrote:

>Y2K anyone?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: livingontheland-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>[mailto:livingontheland-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
>TradingPostPaul
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:41 PM
>To: Kathy; livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The "housing bubble" implosion
>
>
>Yes, he's an eye-opener and there are others. At least he gets down to
>specifics which is more unsettling than broad forecasts that don't get so
>personal. We caught up with him last year and got his book. We could see
>some angles a little differently. Nuclear is DOA. Among other things it
>takes 15 years to go from concept to grid, and we don't have that kind of
>time - or the financing. And the immediate problem is cost of utilities
>already - millions pay too much now and electric is going up. Heating oil
>is no better, nor gas. Even our local firewood is going up. It's like his
>insistence on switching to railroad building (horribly expensive), mass
>transit, and other good ideas that need massive financing. We have to
>consider the big picture, price inflation, rising unemployment, economic
>hardship, federal debt for wars, climate disasters, food shortages, and
>growing state movements for secession. And just when the boomers are
>retiring and medical costs are through the roof. A lot of things are about
>to change and it's going to be messy. Grow food. 
>
>Someone once said recession is when your neighbor loses his/her job;
>depression is when you lose yours. Reading what you said, Kathy, we could
>add losing a house. When it hits us it hardly matters if they call it
>recession, repression or whatever. 
>
>No matter how right Kunstler is about the suburbs, most people can't get
>out of the suburbs or out of a big city. But on the other hand, some live
>too remote for reliable grocery distribution - as we've heard already on
>this list. Are we safer living minutes from a small town that's minutes
>from a big city? I don't know. We do know gas is going up and we rely on
>vehicles to get our produce to farmers markets, among other necessary
>trips. We try to find friends nearby who are do-it-yourselfers, food
>growers, scroungers, animal raisers, people with practical skills. And
>especially people with large piles of aged manure we can haul off ...;-) 
>
>paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
>Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes. 
>--Henry David Thoreau 
>
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>On 1/14/2008 at 2:21 PM Kathy wrote:
>
>>Thank you for posting this Doug. I have passed it on. This is the most
>>important piece I have read lately. As a victim of the housing mess
>>(foreclosure)I can certainly relate.
>>Kathy
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Douglas Willhite 
>>  To: Douglas & Hillary Willhite 
>>  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:44 AM
>>  Subject: [Livingontheland] The "housing bubble" implosion
>>
>>
>>  The following is an opinion from James Kunstler, author of "The Long
>>Emergency." Kunstler is alarmed about the state of our economy, but in
the
>>second half of the article offers some reasonable measures for us to
>>consider.
>>  Doug
>>snip
>
>



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