Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/

[Kim Ashley <kimazoid AT yahoo.com>]

A big shout out to Nederland!  I'm an Internetworker-lurker, and my
family spent 3 summers in the early 80's building a summer cabin up the
mountain from Rollinsville.  

Nederland was our very favorite place to visit, the one day a week we
went "into town".  Lesse if I can remember - Top of the Square (?) was
our favorite pizza joint, there was a DIVINE bakery on the way out of
town toward Boulder, and our favorite breakfast joint
was...ummm...Sunset (Sunrise?) Bakery...or something like that...on the
road between Nederland and Rollinsville.

Anyways, I just had to say hi when saw you address, I have fond
memories of your beautiful piece of the world!!


--- internetworkers-request AT lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

> ATTACHMENT part 3.10 message/rfc822 
> From: Jay Biddle <jay_biddle AT direcway.com>
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] gravel
> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:02:23 -0700
> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> I get all my gravel in Golden Colorado....  The delivery charge might
> be 
> a bit steep..
> 
> Jay Biddle
> Nederland Colorado
> 
> 
> matusiak wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:31 PM, DonBartholf AT aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Two people stand out in the North Chatham area. I go with
> Lutterloh 
> >> Farms (Charles Lutterloh)or North State Grading (Weldon Horton).
> They 
> >> are both excellent, honest, and spread from the tailgate with the 
> >> best of them. Both will be happy to discuss your needs and direct
> you 
> >> to the type of gravel that is recommended for your application. If
> 
> >> you have any questions about ordering, gravel types, and such let
> me 
> >> know. It takes much more gravel than you imagine to do a good job.
> 
> >> Its better to get more than you need so they can spread it,
> instead 
> >> of you later. They need to be told that you want it spread when
> you 
> >> order so that they load the gravel in a spreading truck.
> >
> >
> > Or you could just have it all dumped in one big pile and then have
> a 
> > giant rock pile for neighborhood kids to play in.
> >
> > Mellott Contractors
> > Jones Ferry Road
> > Carrboro
> > 967-2241
> >
> > ---
> > Come and play at the InterNetWorkers Web site!  
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > You are currently subscribed to InterNetWorkers mailing list
> > To unsubscribe visit 
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/internetworkers
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.11 message/rfc822 
> From: "Michael Best" <mbest AT dasya.com>
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Image Puzzle
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:33:39 -0500
> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> I spent a few hours going through this today.  Some were really easy
> and
> others stumped me for quite a while (many require an imaging
> program).
> Here's the result:
> 
> End
> Congratulations! You have completed the Image Puzzle!
> Now it's time to move on to the Code Puzzle...
> INSTRUCTIONS: decrypt the code to reveal the name of the next page.
> 
> After completing all 5 stages you will be taken to a new puzzle based
> on
> Mathemathics...
> 
> -- Michael
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Evan Zimmerman [mailto:evan.zimmerman AT gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:14 PM
> > To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [internetworkers] Image Puzzle
> >
> >
> > This may be completely ancient for all I know, but I always find
> these
> > puzzles fun. :-)
> >
> >
> > http://www.etienne.nu/imagepuz/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Evan
> >
> > _________________________
> > evan.zimmerman AT gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.12 message/rfc822 
> From: "Colleen McCarthy" <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>
> Subject: [internetworkers] Web Development Questions
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:50:12 -0500
> To: "Internetworkers AT Lists.Ibiblio.Org (E-mail)"
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Can one of the Web Designer/Developers answer some questions?  I'll
> probably
> have more :), but for now:
> 
> What is a connector in the context of ordering a product using the
> Web?
> Is there a tutorial or material anywhere that someone could point me
> to that
> speaks to designing the order entry components of a Web site?
> Is Flash the latest technology for creating a
> professional/glitzy/sexy Web
> site?  If someone who has been doing Web design and development for a
> while
> can could give an opinion of how Flash allowed them to create better
> Web
> pages I'd really appreciate it.  I know that Flash has been around
> for a
> while, but it seems that suddenly it has become widely used.
> 
> Thanks much!
> 
> Colleen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.13 message/rfc822 
> From: "Matt Pusateri" <mpusateri AT wickedtrails.com>
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Web Development Questions
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:30:53 -0500 (EST)
> To: cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com,
>       "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> On Tue, February 8, 2005 8:50 am, Colleen McCarthy said:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Can one of the Web Designer/Developers answer some questions?  I'll
> > probably
> > have more :), but for now:
> >
> > What is a connector in the context of ordering a product using the
> > Web?
> > Is there a tutorial or material anywhere that someone could point
> me
> > to that
> > speaks to designing the order entry components of a Web site?
> > Is Flash the latest technology for creating a
> professional/glitzy/sexy
> > Web
> > site?  If someone who has been doing Web design and development for
> a
> > while
> > can could give an opinion of how Flash allowed them to create
> better
> > Web
> > pages I'd really appreciate it.  I know that Flash has been around
> for
> > a
> > while, but it seems that suddenly it has become widely used.
> >
> > Thanks much!
> >
> > Colleen
> >
> First, let me say that I am probably more of a sys admin than a web
> programmer, but I have been heavily involved in several web projects
> and developed several sites. Second, my opinions are my own, and I'm
> sure that their are those who can and will disagree with them.
> 
> All that being said, I personally would not use flash for an
> e-commerce site.  I am more of a purist, but I don't like flash. 
> Yeah
> it makes things look nice for marketing types that do not even
> understand what a URL is, but to me it is evil. Ok maybe evil is a
> bit
> harsh.  Reason's why I don't like flash.
> 
> 1. It limits your audience, because flash is not available for all
> platforms. Yes it works well on Windows and Mac, but it's hard to get
> it to play nice on Linux/BSD.  Plus the latest versions of flash
> which
> you will probably be developing on are not readily available on
> linux/bsd platforms.  Yes, I realize that this is a very small
> percentage of the internet population, but it is still important for
> you e-commerce site to be accessed by all.
> 
> 2. It forces you to install software (flash plugin) on your machine,
> While most people have flash plugin installed.  It is my opinion you
> shouldn't be forced to install software just to use a site.  All
> sites
> in general should be able to be displayed with a standard browser. 
> So
> if you want flash, do a non flash site as well.
> 
> 3. Flash does not lend itself well to people with disabilities. 
> Screen Readers for the vision impaired do not function well with
> flash.  Of course screen readers do not function well with regular
> html forms either making it hard for the disabled to navigate a
> e-commerce sites anyhow.  But why make it harder for them than they
> already have it.
> 
> 4. E-commerce sites should be standards compliant.  W3C, HTML or
> XHTML, CSS, Section 508.  Relizing that XHTML & CSS will have varied
> browser support.   But again, any standard browser should be able to
> navigate your site.
> 
> 5. While flash has the ability to interface with databases, I would
> recommend and alternative development platform, such as perl, php,
> jsp
> or even as a last resort asp, pages.  With the goal of your site
> being
> able to be accessed by everyone, using almost any browser, with
> limited browser specific coding, except where required to make up for
> the fact the browser is not W3C compliant such as Internet Explorer
> not recognizing some CSS tags or the like.
> 
> 6. Again I feel Flash is not suited to an online order entry system. 
> If you want something flashy on the corporate site or on your product
> pages, to empress marketing types, then flash if your ticket. But
> again there should be an alternatvie way to view all flash content. 
> Maybe a PDF brochure as a universally readable alternative.
> 
> 7. e-commerce sites are alot more complex than just getting a gui
> development enviroment and just clicking your way through to a new
> site. It sounds like you may need a more experience developer to
> guide
> you around the learning curve it appears you about to take.  A
> compentent web designer/graphic artist can make your site look glitzy
> and professional without using flash.  Also their is a big difference
> between web designers who do presentation/graphic artist work and web
> developers who do database/programming work.
> 
> 
> Matt Pusateri
> 
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.14 message/rfc822 
> From: "Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com>
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Web Development Questions
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:48:17 -0500
> To: <cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com>,
>       "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'"
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> Colleen,
> 
> I agree with Matt Pusateri assuming he is speaking of using flash to
> drive your e-commerce engine or shopping cart - however, I don't
> think
> it's evil (sorry Matt).  I'm not a programmer [nor do I play one on
> TV],
> but I play an Account Service/Marketing Strategy role at a small
> company
> that has strong experience in PHP and MySQL among others.  I can tell
> you that Flash is a great tool for many situations but it definitely
> has
> it's drawbacks.  It's best to learn what it does well.  The sexy part
> of
> a website - I believe - comes from simplicity and great design no
> matter
> what tools are used.
> 
> There are a many ways to build a shopping cart [I realize this isn't
> answering your question] and some "off the shelf" pre-programmed
> solutions.  I think my advice would be to get a budget together and
> then
> search for a solution that best fits your needs. 
> 
> I hope this helps.  I also hope one of the members who IS a
> programmer
> answers your questions.
> 
> Are you considering designing the site yourself or just learning
> enough
> so you can be an intelligent buyer?
> 
> Bruce DeBoer
> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> Synthesis
> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> Raleigh, NC  27601
> Main: 919-523-6385
> Fax: 919-829-8299
> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> www.synthesiscreative.com
> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> Colleen
> McCarthy
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:50 AM
> To: Internetworkers AT Lists.Ibiblio.Org (E-mail)
> Subject: [internetworkers] Web Development Questions
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Can one of the Web Designer/Developers answer some questions?  I'll
> probably
> have more :), but for now:
> 
> What is a connector in the context of ordering a product using the
> Web?
> Is there a tutorial or material anywhere that someone could point me
> to
> that
> speaks to designing the order entry components of a Web site?
> Is Flash the latest technology for creating a
> professional/glitzy/sexy
> Web
> site?  If someone who has been doing Web design and development for a
> while
> can could give an opinion of how Flash allowed them to create better
> Web
> pages I'd really appreciate it.  I know that Flash has been around
> for a
> while, but it seems that suddenly it has become widely used.
> 
> Thanks much!
> 
> Colleen
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Come and play at the InterNetWorkers Web site!
> http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> You are currently subscribed to InterNetWorkers mailing list
> To unsubscribe visit
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/internetworkers
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.15 message/rfc822 
> From: Judy Hallman <hallman AT email.unc.edu>
> Subject: [internetworkers] An Introduction to Activism on the
> Internet
> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:47:30 -0500
> To: Internetworkers <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> WOW!  What a wonderful collection of useful information!
> 
> Judy Hallman (hallman AT rtpnet.org, http://www.rtpnet.org/hallman)
> Executive Director, RTPnet, NC (http://www.RTPnet.org/)
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [DDN] An Introduction to Activism on the Internet
> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:07:53 -0500
> From: Andy Carvin <acarvin AT edc.org>
> Reply-To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 
> <digitaldivide AT milhouse.edc.org>
> Organization: Center for Media & Community
> To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 
> <digitaldivide AT milhouse.edc.org>
> 
>  From the UNDP... -ac
> 
> An Introduction to Activism on the Internet
> 
> This document offers a brief introduction to a few different
> techniques
> of electronic advocacy using email, the Web, and other “new media” to
> bring about social change. This document is not intended to endorse
> electronic campaigning tactics at the expense of other offline
> tactics.
> Constituencies that are less connected to the Internet, for instance,
> are less likely to be reached by Internet organizing alone. Any
> campaign
> determining its strategy should analyze its goals and consider the
> best
> way to influence, facilitate, create, or seize power. Electronic
> campaigning techniques may work best when supplementing offline
> tactics... or may be entirely unsuitable given a campaign’s intended
> audience, targets, timing, or resources. As with other campaigning
> tactics, strategies that work in one context will not necessarily
> work
> in another.
> 
> http://www.backspace.com/action/all.php
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------
> Andy Carvin
> Program Director
> EDC Center for Media & Community
> acarvin @ edc . org
> http://www.digitaldivide.net
> http://www.tsunami-info.org
> Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
> -----------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list
> DIGITALDIVIDE AT mailman.edc.org
> http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.16 message/rfc822 
> From: Jim Allman <jim AT ibang.com>
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Web Development Questions
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:52:44 -0500
> To: cmccarthy1 AT nc.rr.com,
>       "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Colleen McCarthy wrote:
> > If someone who has been doing Web design and development for a
> while
> > can could give an opinion of how Flash allowed them to create
> better 
> > Web
> > pages I'd really appreciate it.
> 
> Flash-based websites are obviously a bone of contention. I should say
> 
> at the outset that I make a living building Flash apps, among other 
> things.
> 
> In the right hands, Flash can provide both functional and 
> "experiential" benefits (unavoidably squishy, sorry). Certainly it 
> provides serious eye candy on many sites, but I'll try to stick to 
> functional benefits here.
> 
> I typically use Flash to build visual displays that can't be done (or
> 
> would be a nightmare) using other tools--drag and drop selection and 
> "assembly" of a product or data structure, vector-based views that 
> scale and zoom, that kind of thing. (Note that this is very 
> script-intensive, and not "out of the box" behavior.) This is very
> hard 
> to match if the items you're interested in are inherently visual and 
> configurable.
> 
> Flash also offers a lightweight, consistent platform for streaming 
> audio and video (including real-time chat, with some server-side 
> support). With a decent family of UI widgets, it can also be a 
> lightweight client GUI for client/server apps--similar to a Java 
> applet, but with less overhead (see Laszlo or the emerging Flex for 
> some good examples).
> 
> 
> Regarding the "purist" objections to Flash, some of these are legit
> and 
> some are overblown IMO:
> 
> Flash is so widely included in modern browsers that it has arguably 
> crossed the gap from "just another plugin" to mainstream browser 
> technology. Where it's available, the Flash runtime environment is
> more 
> reliable and consistent (across browsers and platforms) than the 
> "standard" method of building dynamic web pages, called DHTML (HTML
> DOM 
> + CSS + Javascript).
> 
> Yes, the Flash Player is missing or outdated on some flavors of Unix,
> 
> and each site must decide how much this weighs into the choice of 
> tools. (Hey, I'm a Mac user, so I sympathize.)
> 
> Comparing Flash to PHP, ASP, etc is kind of apples-and-oranges, since
> 
> those are server-side languages. Flash needs a smart server to do
> many 
> things, and that's a separate decision. Instead, think of Flash as a 
> very nimble net client, which can be hosted in a web browser or 
> distributed as a standalone app. Flash is wonderfully indifferent to 
> your server-side technology; I often pair it with a Zope server and 
> XML-RPC.
> 
> Accessibility in Flash is largely a matter of forethought, and taking
> 
> advantage of its supporting features (exposing Flash UI components to
> 
> assistive technologies, etc). It can be done, but it doesn't happen 
> unless people take the time--just as with accessible HTML.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
>    =jimA=
> 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Jim Allman
> Interrobang Digital Media
> http://www.ibang.com/
> (919) 649-5760
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.17 message/rfc822 
> From: Lyman Green <lymang AT gmail.com>
> Subject: [internetworkers] thanks
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:22:40 -0500
> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> Thanks (to all involved) for help on gravel and septic systems.
> 
> I haven't followed up yet, but thanks for the help.
> 
> Lyman
> 
> -- 
> ". . . No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the
> life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which
> makes
> its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence.  It is
> impossible.  We live, as we dream--alone. . . ."
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.18 message/rfc822 
> From: Lyman Green <lymang AT gmail.com>
> Subject: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:23:48 -0500
> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70? 
> Looking
> for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed to a
> faceless internet reviewer).
> 
> Lyman Green
> 
> -- 
> ". . . No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the
> life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which
> makes
> its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence.  It is
> impossible.  We live, as we dream--alone. . . ."
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.19 message/rfc822 
> From: "Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com>
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:29:39 -0500
> To: "'Lyman Green'" <lymang AT gmail.com>,
>       "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'"
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> Not on those specific models but I've been a professional
> photographer
> so I can probably answer some none product specific questions.
> 
> You probably can't go wrong with either one but Canon seems to be in
> the
> lead currently.
> 
> -b
> 
> Bruce DeBoer
> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> Synthesis
> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> Raleigh, NC  27601
> Main: 919-523-6385
> Fax: 919-829-8299
> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> www.synthesiscreative.com
> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lyman
> Green
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:24 AM
> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> Subject: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> 
> Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70? 
> Looking
> for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed to a
> faceless internet reviewer).
> 
> Lyman Green
> 
> -- 
> ". . . No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the
> life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which
> makes
> its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence.  It is
> impossible.  We live, as we dream--alone. . . ."
> ---
> Come and play at the InterNetWorkers Web site!
> http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> You are currently subscribed to InterNetWorkers mailing list
> To unsubscribe visit
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/internetworkers
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3.20 message/rfc822 
> From: Evan Zimmerman <evan.zimmerman AT gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:42:42 -0500
> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>       <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> 
> I have the Canon, best camera I've ever had. I'm not a pro by any
> means so take it with a grain of salt, but it's very solid for my
> needs.
> The only complaint I would make is that the body is plastic -- the
> D70
> is aluminum I believe, which is probably more durable in the long
> run.
> The battery lasts forever it seems, it takes cheap CF memory (I use
> 256 cards that are ~$40 and take 75 images at maximum resolution),
> has
> good adjustment features for the jpegs and supports RAW.
> If you're ready to go all the way, I would also recommend buying the
> body only and investing in a better lens than comes with the package.
> It's a good general use lens, but not as good as other similar Canon
> lenses.
> Otherwise I heartily recommend it. 
> 
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:29:39 -0500, Bruce
> <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com> wrote:
> > Not on those specific models but I've been a professional
> photographer
> > so I can probably answer some none product specific questions.
> > 
> > You probably can't go wrong with either one but Canon seems to be
> in the
> > lead currently.
> > 
> > -b
> > 
> > Bruce DeBoer
> > Director of Marketing and Business Development
> > Synthesis
> > 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> > Raleigh, NC  27601
> > Main: 919-523-6385
> > Fax: 919-829-8299
> > bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> > www.synthesiscreative.com
> > Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> Lyman
> > Green
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:24 AM
> > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > Subject: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> > 
> > Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70? 
> Looking
> > for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed to a
> > faceless internet reviewer).
> > 
> > Lyman Green
> > 
> > --
> > ". . . No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the
> > life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which
> makes
> > its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence.  It is
> > impossible.  We live, as we dream--alone. . . ."
> > ---
> > Come and play at the InterNetWorkers Web site!
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > You are currently subscribed to InterNetWorkers mailing list
> > To unsubscribe visit
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/internetworkers
> > 
> > ---
> > Come and play at the InterNetWorkers Web site! 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > You are currently subscribed to InterNetWorkers mailing list
> > To unsubscribe visit
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/internetworkers
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Evan
> 
> _________________________
> evan.zimmerman AT gmail.com
> 
> > ---
> Come and play at the InterNetWorkers Web site! 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> InterNetWorkers mailing list
> InterNetWorkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/internetworkers