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  • From: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org (internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org)
  • Subject: [internetworkers] Au revoir, et pour les poissons, merci
  • Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:18:02 -0000

> These are just the opinions of someone that has been here since the start.
> Maybe you disagree. I hope you disagree and that you tell me where I'm
> wrong.
> This is how we grow, right?

I too am sorry to see Joe feel a need to step back, but I think he's just
acknowleding
what already has happened. A community is by definition a fluid organization,
with
people coming and going, and Joe has made friends outside of the concept of
whether
he reads your email every day.

> I want to explore these events and elevate our
> discourse. I want to get a level of abstraction above these personal attacks
> that we've been seeing.... And while I could care less about being
> personally
> attacked on this one, I would hope that we can avoid an audit of who has
> said
> what and who was right and who was wrong.... why try to apply today's
> judgments to past actions....
>

I've been on mailing lists since the mid-80s, and have been involved in flame
wars that
damaged my career. As I'm sure you're aware, people will say things in email
that they
won't say in person, and his can be both good and bad. Lately in IW its been
mostly
bad.

Perhaps it was the experience of spending many years as an atheist in
catholic school,
but one thing I did do was to learn to respect people with different opinions
than my
own. Posting 12 times on a subject probably isn't going to change someone's
opinion
on a subject any more than 1 time, and you certainly aren't going to change
anyone's
opinion by attacking them in public.

Lastely, you have to remember that IW is a *public* forum, like many mailing
lists. As I
have found out in the past, your behavior here is public, and can potentially
be
archived. Things I posted in 1987 are still available for potential employers
to read.
When I evaluate a job candidate I certainly do a Google and USENET search on
them
to see what's out there.

As for the people that will want to claim some sort of giant wall between
their
professional and private lives, I will remind you again that the IW's list IS
public, and I
have learned the hard way that the way you behave in public reflects on your
character
Anyone likely to go on a long attack fest because someone else had the
audacity to
disagree with them on a mailing list is also likely to get all bent out of
shape because
someone disagreed with them on the architecture for that new software
project.

Yes, your 1st ammendment rights are there and you can say anything you want,
any
way you want. That doesn't mean anyone else will want to ever hear what you
have to
say or be around you. You may now return to your regularly scheduled flame
fest.









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