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[Neal <webdeveloper02 AT yahoo.com>]

David,

I agree..  just one of the many problems with the Internet as it stands today 
(TCP/IP is a whole
other rant for me).

 GeekTools: http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi is a tool I use from 
time to time.. you can
punch in a domain name or IP Address and get the needed info (as you pointed 
out, to an extent).

- Neal

--- "David R. Matusiak" <matusiak AT speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Neal --
> 
> as you may or may not be aware, the worldwide DNS system can already 
> provide you 
> /some/ of this information. "whois" is a command-line tool for tracing back 
> to 
> domain admin information. for those not interested in CLI tools, you can 
> use 
> <http://www.betterwhois.com/>. i'm sure there are other ways to get this 
> info as 
> well (for example, Mac OSX has some built in GUI tools for this).
> 
> the problem is not getting the contact info, but getting anything DONE 
> related 
> to the abuse. often there is fake info given to registrars, so your 
> complaints 
> effectively go nowhere. even when there is factual contact info, they never 
> seem 
> to answer (or return) phone calls and abuse emails go unanswered.
> 
> the next step from here is to contact their ISP, host, provider, etc. as 
> you can 
> see, this begins eating all of the spare time you used to have. so, we tend 
> to 
> rely on imperfect systems like MAPS (and now-defunct ORBS) to "filter the 
> internet" for us. MAPS seems to have A LOT more enemies than i would have 
> ever 
> expected. abuse from all sides, as far as i can see...
> 
> so, until the crude, uneducated opportunists of the internet choose to 
> regulate 
> themselves (HA!) we will have these problems. or until the homeland 
> security 
> office steps in and mentions that the spam issue has reached the level of 
> RED 
> (or CRITICAL) and decides to bomb spammers offices "back to afghanistan."
> 
> ___  _ _____ . ....
> m a h t o o z e e a c k  a t  s p e e k e e z e e  d o t  n e t
> ------ / / .........     . . .
> 
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Neal wrote:
> 
> > One of the things that's always urked me about spam is that I can almost 
> > always tell when the
> > return e-mail address is bogus without even trying to reply to it.
> > 
> > I like this idea from ( http://mail-abuse.org/gc_rbl.html ):
> > 
> > "" ** Greeting Card sites could place a card into a pending spool and 
> > email a notification
> back to
> > the sender, requiring either a web link or email response, prior to 
> > activating the card and
> > sending mail to the final recipient. This will verify that the listed 
> > sender address is valid
> and
> > responding to email. "" 
> > 
> > Also... keep in mind that the sender is trying to get a message across.. 
> > be it advertising a
> web
> > site, selling a product, etc... and hence they eventually do have to 
> > provide you with some
> sort of
> > "real" contact information.. be it a URL to the site, a phone number, 
> > etc...
> > 
> > .. and that's where I would love to see a client-side tool come in..  for 
> > instance:  A tool
> that
> > would allow you to select the e-mail and pull URLs from it... lookup the 
> > owners domain /
> contact
> > information for that domain.. and send them a nasty-gram back.. etc..
> > 
> > - Neal
> 
> 
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