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- To: "InterNetWorkers" <internetworkers AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: internetworkers digest: May 07, 2001
- Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:49:04 -0400
Hello Everyone.
I am writing an article about Interface design specifically for software applications, and I am interested in your observations, opinions and tirades. If you have comments on who does it good and who misses the mark I would greatly appreciate it.
Do you think some applications make some task more difficult than necessary? Do you think the esthetics of an application contribute to its success or demise. Are we dumbing down user expectation by cloning the Microsoft look and functionality? Do you have examples of poor architecture design?
And who are the Interface geniuses out there?
Steve Steele
At 12:00 AM 5/8/01 -0400, you wrote:
INTERNETWORKERS Digest for Monday, May 07, 2001.
1. Re: Spring Pic-Nic
2. Re: Spring Pic-Nic
3. Re: Spring Pic-Nic
4. Re: Spring Pic-Nic
5. Re: Spring Pic-Nic
6. password protection
7. RE: password protection
8. RE: password protection
9. Re: The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
10. RE: password protection
11. RE: password protection
12. Re: The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
13. RE: password protection
14. Wireless May Elections
15. Re: Wireless May Elections
16. [Fwd: FC: Groups demand online "public spaces" at 5/9 event in DC]
17. Re: [Fwd: FC: Groups demand online "public spaces" at 5/9 event in DC]
18. RE: password protection
19. Geek-nic planning posse
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Subject: Re: Spring Pic-Nic
From: "Joanna Wolfe (919)677-0977" <wolfe AT oup-usa.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 07:51:57 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 1
Crabtree Lake Park off Aviation has boat rentals and trails.
They charge $60 for the small Shelters - 50 people, and $100 for the large
shelter. They have shelters available in June, but only on Sundays.
Regards,
Joanna
Joanna Wolfe
Technical Support Manager
Oxford University Press, USA
2001 Evans Road
Cary, NC 27513
v: (919) 677-0977 ext. 5242
f: (919) 677-2654
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e: wolfe AT oup-usa.org
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>At 03:02 PM 5/5/01 -0400, you wrote:
>>Are there any plans to have an Internetworkers Pic-nic? With all the great
>>weather and talk
>>about community I think we're due.
>
>
> Damn, you are right! It /is/ that time of year, and last year's
>geek-nic was great.
>
> Jordan Lake worked out pretty well last year (despite the
>no-alcohol policy). Any other good places we could look at?
>
>TaB
>
>
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Subject: Re: Spring Pic-Nic
From: Michael S Czeiszperger <czei AT webperformanceinc.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:43:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2
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On Monday 07 May 2001 07:51 am, you wrote:
> Crabtree Lake Park off Aviation has boat rentals and trails.
> They charge $60 for the small Shelters - 50 people, and $100 for the large
> shelter. They have shelters available in June, but only on Sundays.
>
I second that recommendation. The facility is great, and there's some nice
mtn bike trails, some easy, and some difficult if you stray out of the park.
- --
Michael S Czeiszperger
czei AT webperformanceinc.com
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Subject: Re: Spring Pic-Nic
From: Thomas <thomas AT tbeckett.com>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:47:51 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
At 09:43 AM 5/7/01 -0400, you wrote:
>On Monday 07 May 2001 07:51 am, you wrote:
> > Crabtree Lake Park off Aviation has boat rentals and trails.
> > They charge $60 for the small Shelters - 50 people, and $100 for the large
> > shelter. They have shelters available in June, but only on Sundays.
> >
>
>I second that recommendation. The facility is great, and there's some nice
>mtn bike trails, some easy, and some difficult if you stray out of the park.
Is there anyone down that way who could go and make a reservation
for us? We could pass the hat to cover the fee, or perhaps get some
sponsors like we did last year.
I reckon the first thing to do would be to get the available dates
for the big shelter and make sure we're not conflicting with any other big
events.
TaB
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Subject: Re: Spring Pic-Nic
From: "David Wagoner" <dbwagoner AT yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:02:54 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4
Umstead State Park is really nice (trails, lakes, streams, horse-back
riding, etc.) and has access points in Cary and Raleigh. I know there is a
very large covered shelter at the Cary entrance with picnic tables and ample
parking. The hiking trails are adjacent. Info. link and excerpt are shown
below.
http://ils.unc.edu/parkproject/wium.html
"Picnic Areas--The Crabtree Creek section provides 80 tables with grills
while the Reedy Creek section has 50 tables. Restrooms are available in each
area. Sites are available on a first-come/first-serve basis.
Picnicking Shelters--The Crabtree Creek section has two shelters. One
accommodates over a 100 people while the other holds about 20. The Reedy
Creek section has one shelter which holds about 100 people. Use of the
shelters is free unless reservations are requested. Contact the park office
for details."
David
David B. Wagoner
Oracle Database Administrator
dbwagoner AT yahoo.com <mailto:dbwagoner AT yahoo.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas [mailto:thomas AT tbeckett.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:02 PM
To: InterNetWorkers
Subject: [internetworkers] Re: Spring Pic-Nic
At 03:02 PM 5/5/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Are there any plans to have an Internetworkers Pic-nic? With all the great
>weather and talk
>about community I think we're due.
Damn, you are right! It /is/ that time of year, and last year's
geek-nic was great.
Jordan Lake worked out pretty well last year (despite the
no-alcohol policy). Any other good places we could look at?
TaB
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Subject: Re: Spring Pic-Nic
From: "Joanna Wolfe (919)677-0977" <wolfe AT oup-usa.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 5
They will hold the reservation for 24 hours, then they want cold hard cash, including a security deposit.
Regards,
Joanna
Joanna Wolfe
Technical Support Manager
Oxford University Press, USA
2001 Evans Road
Cary, NC 27513
v: (919) 677-0977 ext. 5242
f: (919) 677-2654
c: (919) 244-7696
e: wolfe AT oup-usa.org
w: www.oup-usa.org
Today's URL of interest:
http://members.telocity.com/~flaherty/IBM/
>At 09:43 AM 5/7/01 -0400, you wrote:
>>On Monday 07 May 2001 07:51 am, you wrote:
>> > Crabtree Lake Park off Aviation has boat rentals and trails.
>> > They charge $60 for the small Shelters - 50 people, and $100 for the large
>> > shelter. They have shelters available in June, but only on Sundays.
>> >
>>
>>I second that recommendation. The facility is great, and there's some nice
>>mtn bike trails, some easy, and some difficult if you stray out of the park.
>
> Is there anyone down that way who could go and make a reservation
>for us? We could pass the hat to cover the fee, or perhaps get some
>sponsors like we did last year.
>
>
> I reckon the first thing to do would be to get the available dates
>for the big shelter and make sure we're not conflicting with any other big
>events.
>
>TaB
>
>
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Subject: password protection
From: "Stella L." <thumb_nails AT yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 6
Does anyone know how to password protect a web page so
that only the authorized people can access to it? Our
site is running on NT 4 with IIS.
Thanks
Stella
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Subject: RE: password protection
From: "Paula Paul" <Paula AT PaulSoftware.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:46:34 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
>=20
> Does anyone know how to password protect a web page so
> that only the authorized people can access to it? Our
> site is running on NT 4 with IIS.
> Thanks
> Stella
>=20
Hi Stella,
The first thing that comes to mind is to disable annonymous access on
the page or directory: open the internet services manager, browse to the
web directory or page, then right click it and select 'properties'.
>From either the 'directory security' or 'file security' tab, you should
be able to disable annonymous access on a directory or page level. Of
course that means that anyone trying to access the page (when using file
level security) or site (when using directory level security) would be
prompted for an NT domain account and password when they try to access
your web page(s). =20
If you don't want to link the access to NT domain accounts and
passwords, you could to manage 'non-NT' user names and passwords with a
database or custom code. There are plenty of third party tools and
sample code available if you want to go this route - if you want more
information on options, feel free drop me a line (on or off list).
Good luck!
-Paula
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Subject: RE: password protection
From: Steven Champeon <schampeo AT hesketh.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:59:31 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8
on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:46:34AM -0400, Paula Paul wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to password protect a web page so
> > that only the authorized people can access to it? Our
> > site is running on NT 4 with IIS.
...
> The first thing that comes to mind is to disable annonymous access on
> the page or directory: open the internet services manager, browse to the
> web directory or page, then right click it and select 'properties'.
> >From either the 'directory security' or 'file security' tab, you should
> be able to disable annonymous access on a directory or page level. Of
> course that means that anyone trying to access the page (when using file
> level security) or site (when using directory level security) would be
> prompted for an NT domain account and password when they try to access
> your web page(s).
>
> If you don't want to link the access to NT domain accounts and
> passwords, you could to manage 'non-NT' user names and passwords with a
> database or custom code. There are plenty of third party tools and
> sample code available if you want to go this route - if you want more
> information on options, feel free drop me a line (on or off list).
Or, if you want to use what the rest of the Internet has used since IIS
was just a memory leak in Microsoft's eye, you could enable Basic auth
in IIS. Here's a rundown of all the different authentication methods
supported by IIS:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q264/9/21.ASP
HTH,
Steve
--
"Euphoria is not a business strategy" -- Louis Rossetto
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Subject: Re: The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
From: Lisa Linn <Lisa.Linn AT sas.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:01:13 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9
The VHS tapes are rent-able from some VisArts.
-lisa linn
> > Does anyone remember seeing a TV version of this book. I
> swear I saw it on
> PBS back in the
> > 80's .
> >
> > thx,
> > andy...
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Subject: RE: password protection
From: "Paula Paul" <Paula AT PaulSoftware.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:08:11 -0400
X-Message-Number: 10
>=20
> Or, if you want to use what the rest of the Internet has used=20
> since IIS
> was just a memory leak in Microsoft's eye, you could enable Basic auth
> in IIS. Here's a rundown of all the different authentication methods
> supported by IIS:
>=20
If you do choose to go with Basic Authentication (one of the
authentication methods you can enable on the tab used to disable
annonymous access, as described in my earlier post), you may want to use
it in conjunction with SSL. Basic Authentication means that the userid
and password will be sent as clear text (thus it's better to require
secure HTTP). Since Basic Authentication ties the authentication to a
domain account and password, you may want the password encrypted.
If you choose windows integrated authentication, the password will also
be tied to a domain account, but it will not be sent in clear text.
-Paula
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Subject: RE: password protection
From: Steven Champeon <schampeo AT hesketh.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:26:43 -0400
X-Message-Number: 11
on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:08:11PM -0400, Paula Paul wrote:
> > Or, if you want to use what the rest of the Internet has used
> > since IIS
> > was just a memory leak in Microsoft's eye, you could enable Basic auth
> > in IIS. Here's a rundown of all the different authentication methods
> > supported by IIS:
>
> If you do choose to go with Basic Authentication (one of the
> authentication methods you can enable on the tab used to disable
> annonymous access, as described in my earlier post), you may want to use
> it in conjunction with SSL. Basic Authentication means that the userid
> and password will be sent as clear text (thus it's better to require
> secure HTTP).
Technically, the user/pass combination is sent as a Base64-encoded string,
not clear text, though Base64 isn't encryption (more like a fancy ROT-13)
so your advice with respect to SSL is correct, if what you're protecting
is really worth the hassle.
> Since Basic Authentication ties the authentication to a
> domain account and password, you may want the password encrypted.
> If you choose windows integrated authentication, the password will also
> be tied to a domain account, but it will not be sent in clear text.
It will also not be usable in any browser that doesn't support NTLM
authentication, namely, everything but Internet Explorer. I'm not sure
if IE5/Mac even supports NTLM. I seem to recall problems with IE4.5,
at any rate.
In summary, Basic auth is fine for most purposes, and can be
supplemented by SSL. If you don't want to encrypt the entire session,
and your audience uses browsers that understand Microsoft-proprietary
authentication, and you want to bother setting up user accounts for
all of your Web visitors, and you don't want to bother setting up a
proprietary database to manage user accounts, you can use NTLM.
--
"Euphoria is not a business strategy" -- Louis Rossetto
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Subject: Re: The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
From: Simon Spero <ses AT ibiblio.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:39:02 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12
Here's a triva question for any fans of the TV series: in what movie does
Simon Jones get to play the part a civil service vandal/home-wrecker?
Simon
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Subject: RE: password protection
From: "Austin, Roger" <rda AT rti.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:42:06 -0400
X-Message-Number: 13
Could you restate the question with more information? There are a lot
of "ifs and buts" in the question. It isn't hard to limit access, but it
is a maintenance chore to deal with the stuff involved in a secure site.
SSL is a requirement for most any "real" secure site, but you may not be
asking for that kind of system.
Is it an intranet or open to the internet? Is it a mixed environment
(Windows and Macs) or one platform? How secure do you want to make it? I
have found at times that all that was needed was to unlink the URL from
a page and make the "authorized people" bookmark a URL. This just means
that the general population can't see a live link, but people could get
to the page if they guessed the complete URL. This is for very low risk
sites only, for sites which you want authorized people to see, but the
Earth wouldn't stop turning if someone else saw it. (e.g., local
non-profit board activities, personal bookmarks, etc.)
Steve is correct with NTLM and IE/Mac, it is problematic (much hair
loss with IE4.5/Mac on a project ...) I haven't had the stomach to get
back to test IE5/Mac yet for NTLM support.
Roger (in RTP)
Steven Champeon wrote:
>
> on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:08:11PM -0400, Paula Paul wrote:
> > > Or, if you want to use what the rest of the Internet has used
> > > since IIS
> > > was just a memory leak in Microsoft's eye, you could enable Basic auth
> > > in IIS. Here's a rundown of all the different authentication methods
> > > supported by IIS:
> >
> > If you do choose to go with Basic Authentication (one of the
> > authentication methods you can enable on the tab used to disable
> > annonymous access, as described in my earlier post), you may want to use
> > it in conjunction with SSL. Basic Authentication means that the userid
> > and password will be sent as clear text (thus it's better to require
> > secure HTTP).
>
> Technically, the user/pass combination is sent as a Base64-encoded string,
> not clear text, though Base64 isn't encryption (more like a fancy ROT-13)
> so your advice with respect to SSL is correct, if what you're protecting
> is really worth the hassle.
>
> > Since Basic Authentication ties the authentication to a
> > domain account and password, you may want the password encrypted.
> > If you choose windows integrated authentication, the password will also
> > be tied to a domain account, but it will not be sent in clear text.
>
> It will also not be usable in any browser that doesn't support NTLM
> authentication, namely, everything but Internet Explorer. I'm not sure
> if IE5/Mac even supports NTLM. I seem to recall problems with IE4.5,
> at any rate.
>
> In summary, Basic auth is fine for most purposes, and can be
> supplemented by SSL. If you don't want to encrypt the entire session,
> and your audience uses browsers that understand Microsoft-proprietary
> authentication, and you want to bother setting up user accounts for
> all of your Web visitors, and you don't want to bother setting up a
> proprietary database to manage user accounts, you can use NTLM.
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Subject: Wireless May Elections
From: Kevin - The Alchemist - Sonney <alchemist AT pobox.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:02:18 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 14
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Hello all!
Once again, it's that time of the month - meeting time! This month, we're
proud to have Randy Dees and Kevin Sonney speaking about Wireless
networking! if you're tired of running cables all over your
house/room/dorm/apartment, this is the talk for you!
Additionally, this is election month, so be sure to be present for your
chance to pick the next Steering Committee! Nominations will be accepted
up until the voting starts, so if there's someone you wish to nominate,
send their name to the steering committee now, or nominate them live
Thursday night!
Also, only registered members will be able to vote, so if you aren't
registered yet, send some email to the steering committee with your
information now!
We'll also have updates on our next install-fest, goodies, the next round
of member benefits, and, as usual, Free Pizza! (No, no pizza sponsor yet,
so if you know someone who wishes to sponsor a meeting, have them contact
Jon Carnes - treasurer AT trilug.org - soon!)
Come on out and join the fun - Dreyfus Auditorium, Thursday, May 10, 2001,
7pm! See you there!
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- -- Kevin "The Alchemist" Sonney --
- -- http://www.darkcanvas.com/~alchemist --
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Subject: Re: Wireless May Elections
From: Kevin - The Alchemist - Sonney <alchemist AT pobox.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 15
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FWIW, I forgot to explicitly state that this is the monthly TriLUG meeting
announcement. Silly. me.
More details at http://www.trilug.org....
At 4:02pm Today, "Kevin - The Alchemist - Sonney" typed :
> Hello all!
>
> Once again, it's that time of the month - meeting time! This month, we're
> proud to have Randy Dees and Kevin Sonney speaking about Wireless
> networking! if you're tired of running cables all over your
> house/room/dorm/apartment, this is the talk for you!
>
> Additionally, this is election month, so be sure to be present for your
> chance to pick the next Steering Committee! Nominations will be accepted
> up until the voting starts, so if there's someone you wish to nominate,
> send their name to the steering committee now, or nominate them live
> Thursday night!
>
> Also, only registered members will be able to vote, so if you aren't
> registered yet, send some email to the steering committee with your
> information now!
>
> We'll also have updates on our next install-fest, goodies, the next round
> of member benefits, and, as usual, Free Pizza! (No, no pizza sponsor yet,
> so if you know someone who wishes to sponsor a meeting, have them contact
> Jon Carnes - treasurer AT trilug.org - soon!)
>
> Come on out and join the fun - Dreyfus Auditorium, Thursday, May 10, 2001,
> 7pm! See you there!
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- --------------------------------------------
- -- Kevin "The Alchemist" Sonney --
- -- http://www.darkcanvas.com/~alchemist --
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Subject: [Fwd: FC: Groups demand online "public spaces" at 5/9 event in DC]
From: B <beeline AT mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:19:10 -0400
X-Message-Number: 16
To quote Kyle's mom: What!? What!?!? What?!?!?!?
Anyone know anything about this?
Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
> [And a response at the end from our very own Lizard. --DBM]
>
> ********
>
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:24:43 -0400
> To: declan AT well.com
> From: Jeff Chester <jeff AT cme.org>
> Subject: another do-gooder event
>
> You may want to let your list know about. Best and thanks
>
> The Future of Noncommercial Broadband Communications at Risk
>
> Preserving the Internet's Openness, Freedom, and Diversity
>
> Speakers include Rep. Ed Markey, FTC Commissioner Mozelle
> Thompson, Dave Farber, Lawrence Lessig, other experts
>
> Dear Colleague:
>
> The Center for Digital Democracy and the Center for Media Education
> cordially invites you to participate in a conference on the future of the
> Internet in the broadband era on Wednesday, 9 May 2001, at the Carnegie
> Endowment for International Peace (1779 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Washington DC).
> The Net is at an important crossroads, and we may soon lose meaningful
> access to this new medium. Such a development will negatively impact our
> civil liberties, limit diversity of information and ownership, harm our
> ability to inform and advocate online, and restrict competition. The public
> interest broadband conference will describe how the media industry giants
> are restructuring the digital media system, fashioning a system that
> extends their control over the media beyond television to the
> Internet. Instead of an open network, media conglomerates are spending
> billions to create what they call "walled gardens," but which are really
> new forms of electronic enclosures designed to ensure that they will
> continue to dominate the media system.
> Unless they act soon, nonprofit organizations will find it difficult to
> operate in an online environment that favors big business over small,
> e-commerce over e-democracy, and public relations over public service.
> That's why it's important to begin exploring new means of collective action
> in the online world, new ways of preserving space for noncommercial,
> public-interest programming, and for directing traffic to the sources of
> information and interactivity that will prove vital to our society in the
> twenty-first century.
> Additional speakers will include: Dr. Patricia Aufderheide, American
> University, Timothy Denton, attorney, Canadian Association of Internet
> Providers, Stewart Harris, Public Webworks, Stephen Heins, Northnet, and
> Barry Steinheart, ACLU.
> Please join us in discussing these important issues, and in exploring
> further collaboration in the broadband era:
>
> 9 May 2001
> 9:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.
> Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
> 1779 Massachusetts Ave. NW
> Washington D.C. 20036-2103
> RSVP: 202-232-2872
> Agoldman AT cme.org
> Seating is limited.
> Lunch will be provided
>
> The conference is made possible through the generous support of the Center
> for the Public Domain, the Albert A. List Foundation, and the J. Roderick
> MacArthur Foundation.
>
> *********
>
> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:41:59 -0700
> From: lizard <lizard AT mrlizard.com>
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan AT well.com>
>
> >The Future of Noncommercial Broadband Communications at Risk
> >
> >Preserving the Internet's Openness, Freedom, and Diversity
> >
> > Speakers include Rep. Ed Markey, FTC Commissioner Mozelle
> > Thompson, Dave Farber, Lawrence Lessig, other experts
> >
> >Dear Colleague:
> >
> >The Center for Digital Democracy and the Center for Media Education
> >cordially invites you to participate in a conference on the future of the
> >Internet in the broadband era on Wednesday, 9 May 2001, at the Carnegie
> >Endowment for International Peace (1779 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Washington
> DC).
>
> <deletia>
>
> Since cyberspace is infinite -- add another hard disk, and you 'create
> space', whence cometh the need to 'preserve space'?
>
> Rather, it seems, the folks behind this want to preserve their OWN
> 'walled gardens' -- the internet equivalents of PBS and NPR, which exist
> to serve the elite but which are funded by the masses. I assure you, the
> 'public spaces' they desire to build will not contain TRULY
> non-mainstream content. They will not host the Nuremberg Files, NAMBLA,
> Stormfront, Bonsaikittens, or the like. They will host the mainstream
> non-mainstream, the sort of stuff acceptable to academics, rich
> liberals, and corporate donors.
>
> I challenge any of those speaking at this conference to say, directly,
> "We wish to use public tax dollars to guarantee that Nazis and NAMBLA
> will always have web space." Do any of them dare do this? I doubt it.
>
> cc'ed to Mr/Ms Goldman.
>
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: FC: Groups demand online "public spaces" at 5/9 event in DC]
From: Paul Jones <pjones AT metalab.unc.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:41:54 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 17
yes. the center for media education http://www.cme.org/ is the sponsor and
does not explicitly say that they are asking for fed.$$$ but all the cards
are in place for that asking and for making a PBS of the Net.
http://www.cme.org/access/index_acc.html they're launching a lobbying
group called the "center for digital democracy"
Digital Promise http://www.digitalpromise.org/ are the folks explicitly
asking for the PBSish set up.
see also Gary Chapman's LATimes article
http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/20010503/t000037177.html
my personal take is that there should be a summit of public space
providers - i'm one of the major ones believe it or not so i have an
interest here - that includes folks working on the varieties of public
spaces (which the CME meeting does not do): veterans like project
gutenberg, perseus project, ibiblio, internet archive and the public
library of science folks, CME/Lessig folks, digitalpromise folks, etc. as
well as folks working on library and archive interoperability like the
open archives initiative http://www.openarchives.org/ and state groups
like NC ECHO http://www.ncecho.org/
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Subject: RE: password protection
From: "Stella L." <thumb_nails AT yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 18
Roger
Actually, this is not a highly secure doc. and thanks
to all the awesome people on this list, i found out
that i need BASIC auth. method (I am running an NT 4).
It has been a great learning experience!
Cheers,
Stella
--- "Austin, Roger" <rda AT rti.org> wrote:
> Could you restate the question with more
> information? There are a lot
> of "ifs and buts" in the question. It isn't hard to
> limit access, but it
> is a maintenance chore to deal with the stuff
> involved in a secure site.
> SSL is a requirement for most any "real" secure
> site, but you may not be
> asking for that kind of system.
> Is it an intranet or open to the internet? Is it a
> mixed environment
> (Windows and Macs) or one platform? How secure do
> you want to make it? I
> have found at times that all that was needed was to
> unlink the URL from
> a page and make the "authorized people" bookmark a
> URL. This just means
> that the general population can't see a live link,
> but people could get
> to the page if they guessed the complete URL. This
> is for very low risk
> sites only, for sites which you want authorized
> people to see, but the
> Earth wouldn't stop turning if someone else saw it.
> (e.g., local
> non-profit board activities, personal bookmarks,
> etc.)
> Steve is correct with NTLM and IE/Mac, it is
> problematic (much hair
> loss with IE4.5/Mac on a project ...) I haven't had
> the stomach to get
> back to test IE5/Mac yet for NTLM support.
> Roger (in RTP)
>
>
> Steven Champeon wrote:
> >
> > on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:08:11PM -0400, Paula
> Paul wrote:
> > > > Or, if you want to use what the rest of the
> Internet has used
> > > > since IIS
> > > > was just a memory leak in Microsoft's eye, you
> could enable Basic auth
> > > > in IIS. Here's a rundown of all the different
> authentication methods
> > > > supported by IIS:
> > >
> > > If you do choose to go with Basic Authentication
> (one of the
> > > authentication methods you can enable on the tab
> used to disable
> > > annonymous access, as described in my earlier
> post), you may want to use
> > > it in conjunction with SSL. Basic
> Authentication means that the userid
> > > and password will be sent as clear text (thus
> it's better to require
> > > secure HTTP).
> >
> > Technically, the user/pass combination is sent as
> a Base64-encoded string,
> > not clear text, though Base64 isn't encryption
> (more like a fancy ROT-13)
> > so your advice with respect to SSL is correct, if
> what you're protecting
> > is really worth the hassle.
> >
> > > Since Basic Authentication ties the
> authentication to a
> > > domain account and password, you may want the
> password encrypted.
> > > If you choose windows integrated authentication,
> the password will also
> > > be tied to a domain account, but it will not be
> sent in clear text.
> >
> > It will also not be usable in any browser that
> doesn't support NTLM
> > authentication, namely, everything but Internet
> Explorer. I'm not sure
> > if IE5/Mac even supports NTLM. I seem to recall
> problems with IE4.5,
> > at any rate.
> >
> > In summary, Basic auth is fine for most purposes,
> and can be
> > supplemented by SSL. If you don't want to encrypt
> the entire session,
> > and your audience uses browsers that understand
> Microsoft-proprietary
> > authentication, and you want to bother setting up
> user accounts for
> > all of your Web visitors, and you don't want to
> bother setting up a
> > proprietary database to manage user accounts, you
> can use NTLM.
>
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Subject: Geek-nic planning posse
From: Thomas Beckett <thomas AT tbeckett.com>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:42:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 19
Okay, how about we form a little sub-committee for deciding on a picnic
site and date? We can also work on organizing the basic foodstuffs and
soliciting some sponsorship. That method worked well last year.
Who's interested? Reply to the list and then we'll email off-list to
get organized. Thanks.
TaB
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