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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

I'm growing in hot desert conditions, but use underground drip irrigation.  

Irrigation time ranges from 1 gallon to 2 gallons a day, depending if temps 
climbing over 100 degrees and wind conditions (more water needed for both).


POTATOES

    Since I see "heat wave" conditions across much of the country, it might 
be 
helpful for others to know about potatoes in the desert - since I'm having 
success this year.

    Last year, I had about 8-12 medium & small potatoes from Kennebec; 1-2 
large 
from Purple Viking per plant, and 12-20 small from Red Pontiacs.  I planted 
them 
in rows 3' apart and 18" apart in each row.

    This year, I planted 12 diffferent potato varieties.  They were planted 
12" 
apart in each row, and rows are 2' apart, and only old cow manure for 
fertilzer 
(soil is sandy).  This resulted in the plants providing near total shade of 
the 
soil, and helped cool the soil --- last year only the deepest pototes 
attained 
medium size (so I was thinking cooler soil down there).  Oh, 
hilling............ 
I started with a trench about 8-12" deep, and hilled until I hilled up about 
6" 
higher, but even though I wanted to hill more, I noticed potato roots between 
the narrow growing space (not much more than the width of my foot is all I 
was 
using to hill up), and not wanting to break the roots, stopped hilling, so 
hills 
are not all that high.

    So far, the earlier potatoes that I've discovered are really big....Red 
Losada (dark red skin, white inside) and Colorado Rose (light red to pink 
skin, 
white inside).  Even the first few Kennebecs I've found are big.  A few 
plants 
here and there have died mysteriously.  Maybe a grub? I don't really see any 
other pests, and the leaves look very healthy - except during a few weeks of 
108-110 degree temps plus wind, which heat stressed them (had to add more 
water 
at night to help them a few times).  


    Sangre potatoes were slow starters.  The plants didn't pop up out of the 
soil until nearly 3 weeks after the others were already up - and all planted 
at 
the same time.  


    Butterballs, so far are small, but I've only found a few so far.  

    Purple Vikings, found a few and they are big this year.  I don't know yet 
if 
there are more than 1-2 per plant, as I haven't dug down very deep, I hope 
so, 
because they are nice potatoes.

    `Can't wait to discover a few more of the other varieties and see how 
they 
are fairing.

    Some of my leftover potatoes from last year that started to sprout, I 
just 
thru the whole spud in the ground - those plants developed much faster than 
the 
ones started from cut pieces, and the plants are huge.... (I ran out of 
garden 
space to keep cutting the spuds into pieces....)


WINTER SQUASH

    I planted all kinds of varieties to see which ones I like the best (not 
saving seed this year - all will cross....)   


(I had some cross polination last year, so my spaghetti squash plant this 
year 
is growing spaghetti squash, orangetti squash, one zucchini,,,, and an I 
don't 
know what but it is the size of a large watermelon and is dark green like a 
zucchini.  On another one, the spaghetti squash seems to be growing something 
similar to a blue hubbard, and some very odd shaped things all different 
colors, 
but no orangetti or spaghetti squash).  Last year the spaghetti squash was 
planted 150 feet away from the zucchini and blue hubbard in the other garden. 
 I 
have very happy very busy bees.)

    I planted some varieties I've never heard of, in addition to acorn, 
butternut, blue and warted hubbard.  I planted Georgia Candy Roaster, and 
Pink 
Banana - these squash are huge ! and prolific.  They have grown right over 
and 
thru the garden fence and are still putting out new "babies" (I just 
discovered 
the vines can have a diameter of 80 feet, so that explains why I couldn't 
contain them in the garden).  Last count there were 14 large ones (about 3' 
in 
diameter, but shaped like a torpedo).  



MELON
    The Amish ones are fantastic.
    I planted several different varieties, and they've all tangled together - 
if 
I have the melon identified right this a/m, a Salmon Cantetloup/Muskmelon is 
also very good, a bit smaller than the Amish.
    The tigger melons, one should be ready pretty soon as it is turning from 
green to brownish.
    This year the Sugar Baby watermelons are not very sweet.  I also planted 
Moon & Stars, they're not ready yet.
    The melon patch this year is so thick with leaves.  It is about 20' wide 
and 
45' long and two rows merged into one so it is hard to walk.  Yesterday I 
could 
smell a ripe melon, but it took me 20 minutes to find it.  It was crazy !!  
But 
fun too. 



The squash, melons, and potatoes are getting overhead irrigation this year, 
as I 
opened up a new garden...... All of these are actually doing much better this 
year with overhead irrigation, that the drip irrigatiion.  One of the locals 
that farms here told me he discovered the same thing, that many things do 
better 
with overhead --- as long as it is at night or the early a/m (because the sun 
is 
so hot, the water bubbles boils and burns the leaves).


CORN
    99%  failure this year.  Apparently I am still not getting corn enough 
fertilizer; the stalks are short, the ears are down by the ground, and didn't 
get pollinated correctly.  Found a local who grows corn and he's going to 
help 
next year.

ONIONS
    Grow great here, just toss the seed in the ground (3 seeds per inch) in 
November according to the professional onion grower down the road from me.  
My 
sweet onions are nearly all harvested now.  I remembered the professional 
farmer 
lost a lot of onions to too much rain a couple years ago (flooding), and 
since 
we're under a flash flood watch, I pulled up all the onions that have broken 
over - time to pull anyway, and I'm hoping the onion patch doesn't get too 
much 
more rain as the soil here holds water fairly well 4" below the surface.

SWEET POTATOES
    I'm at about day 90 for a 110 day variety........ I've wiggled a finger 
into 
the soil here and there but I don't really feel any sweet pototoes.  How deep 
are they?


BEANS
    Yard longs, (red & green) eh, ok,,,,,, prolific yes.  But I really like 
the 
Rattlesnake pole beans this year, better.  


    Anasazi, taste great.  But they are slow maturing, and the plants spread 
out 
sideways.  Same with Peregion.

    Red Mexicans....... wow!  very prolific and nice dried beans.    Can't 
wait 
to cook some up.

    Black Coco are also very prolific for dried beans.


TOMATOES
    Lost the entire crop this year to that virus that many had last year.  So 
have most others here. Read on the internet that the years it is wet in the 
desert over the winter (we had a lot of snow this winter), followed by 
mustard 
plant and russian thistle - that there will be a lot of the bugs that spread 
the 
virus from mustard and thistle.....  I'm thinking hmmmmmmmm, maybe I should 
build a screened in room for tomatoes.................  A new homesteader 
type 
(first year) about 30 miles north of me only lost one plant of about 25, so 
maybe she'll trade some for a 50# squash.......... :-)

Hope everyone is having success this year.



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Unemployment no-mans' land.......... YEP.  They have passed extending, but 
few 
will qualify.  


Meanwhile, government keeps right on doing the things that will worsen 
things.  
Bernanke testified the other day that the current level of debt is 
unsustainable 
and that the effects will be disasterous.  Same thing last year, and same 
thing 
Paulson said the year before.  Nobody is listening, and nobody is asking 
what 
exactly does disasterous mean (in plain english).




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Interesting.  Now there's a sign that the economy is on the mend <sarcasm>. 
 Is 
this supposed to be redistribution of wealth, or redistribution of debt?  
Just 
how do they determine who will win this housing lotto? Does the homeless vet 
who 
walks the streets deserve it more than the divorced mother of three living 
out 
of her car?  Or, will the winner be the executive who lost his McMansion to 
foreclosure in 2008?  Who determines who gets shelter, and how?  With no 
jobs, 
how will the winners be able to pay the taxes, or mow the lawns?

Can you tell that I've become even more disillusioned with government?  I 
lost 
my job last month and applied for unemployment-supposed to be a safety net, 
right?  My old boss and others(based on my income mostly)  told me that I 
should 
be able to get the maximum, which in GA is $350/wk gross.  Firstly, if you 
haven't been employed for at least 15 months(5 quarters), all bets are off.  
If 
you miss that by 3 days, tough luck, no cigar, it translates to less money. 
You 
can always appeal decisions, but it is pretty useless.  So I did not get the 
maximum.  To add insult to injury, I also missed getting the stimulus money 
(an 
additional $25/wk) by 10 days-I had to have filed a claim by the end of May. 
 I 
simply fell into unemployment no-man's land.  People say, oh don't worry, 
the 
Government is passing new legislation to help out with unemployment, putting 
more money into the system...and yeah, the bill passed, and yeah you guessed 
it, 
it applies only to those who have qualified for the maximum and then received 
the payment for the maximum of 26 weeks, but who are no longer getting the 
benefit.  Since I qualified for less than the maximum and only for 14 weeks, 
the 
new stuff doesn't apply to me.  What it boils down to is that you had to 
have 
been working from at least Sept of 2008 through Dec of 2009(15 months), 
received 
unemployment from Jan 2010 to June 2010(26 weeks) in order to qualify for the 
additional monies.  That is a huge hoop to jump through, and I'd bet that 
98% of 
people drawing unemployment in this state won't qualify.  So where does all 
of 
that money really go??  But I digress...

I guess my point is that if you read the news articles about unemployment and 
the additional monies directed to help stimulate the economy(and I really 
don't 
see how an additional $25 a week stimulates the economy, but that is another 
matter) everything sounds so wonderful, so rosy, so optimistic.  It sounds 
so 
fiscally great to turn city land-ball fields into housing plots (first cut PE 
out of the school curriculum, then cut it from the city budget, then 
eliminate 
it altogether and wonder why people are FAT!), but looking closer, I'm hoping 
that people will see all the pitfalls this creates.  It may look great on 
paper, 
but it will not help bring in tax money(those who win the housing lotto won't 
be 
able to pay) and it won't help those who are truly in need.  Those people, 
the 
ones who play honestly and by the rules, will get screwed and fall into 
no-man's 
land.  In the past, those with 'drive' were the ones who won the 
housing/land 
lottos, making do with less amenities to settle the outlands.  Now, those 
with 
zero drive will win the housing/land lotto, and complain that the government 
won't provide them with services like libraries, public safety, and water to 
make their lawns green.  

The irony of this, to me, is the short sightedness of city planners or 
whoever 
came up with this scheme.  Most undeveloped municipal land is undeveloped or 
underdeveloped for a reason.  Ball fields and parks are commonly constructed 
on 
flood plains or even built upon old landfills.  Placing houses on this 
ground is 
asking for trouble down the road.  If they line their coffers, they will 
soon be 
paying the money back to the new homeowners, who will bring suit to the city 
after things go bad.  



Gene GeRue wrote:
> Don't panic. It is not yet another insidious way for urban bureaucrats to 
>fleece we noble country folk. But for sure this is a definition I had never 
>considered.
> 
> From:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/us/26revenue.html?_r=1&hp
> 
> Beatrice was a starting point for the Homestead Act of 1862, the federal 
> law 
>that handed land to pioneering farmers. Back then, the goal was to settle 
>the 
>West. The goal of Beatrice’s “Homestead Act of 2010,” is, in part, to 
>replenish 
>city coffers.
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> Unemployment no-mans' land.......... YEP. They have passed extending, but
> few
> will qualify.
>
>
> Meanwhile, government keeps right on doing the things that will worsen
> things.
> Bernanke testified the other day that the current level of debt is
> unsustainable
> and that the effects will be disasterous. Same thing last year, and same
> thing
> Paulson said the year before. Nobody is listening, and nobody is asking
> what
> exactly does disasterous mean (in plain english).
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT gmail.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:43:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Cities View Homesteads as a Source of Income
>
> Interesting. Now there's a sign that the economy is on the mend <sarcasm>.
> Is
> this supposed to be redistribution of wealth, or redistribution of debt?
> Just
> how do they determine who will win this housing lotto? Does the homeless
> vet who
> walks the streets deserve it more than the divorced mother of three living
> out
> of her car? Or, will the winner be the executive who lost his McMansion to
> foreclosure in 2008? Who determines who gets shelter, and how? With no
> jobs,
> how will the winners be able to pay the taxes, or mow the lawns?
>
> Can you tell that I've become even more disillusioned with government? I
> lost
> my job last month and applied for unemployment-supposed to be a safety
> net,
> right? My old boss and others(based on my income mostly) told me that I
> should
> be able to get the maximum, which in GA is $350/wk gross. Firstly, if you
> haven't been employed for at least 15 months(5 quarters), all bets are
> off. If
> you miss that by 3 days, tough luck, no cigar, it translates to less
> money. You
> can always appeal decisions, but it is pretty useless. So I did not get
> the
> maximum. To add insult to injury, I also missed getting the stimulus money
> (an
> additional $25/wk) by 10 days-I had to have filed a claim by the end of
> May. I
> simply fell into unemployment no-man's land. People say, oh don't worry,
> the
> Government is passing new legislation to help out with unemployment,
> putting
> more money into the system...and yeah, the bill passed, and yeah you
> guessed it,
> it applies only to those who have qualified for the maximum and then
> received
> the payment for the maximum of 26 weeks, but who are no longer getting the
> benefit. Since I qualified for less than the maximum and only for 14
> weeks, the
> new stuff doesn't apply to me. What it boils down to is that you had to
> have
> been working from at least Sept of 2008 through Dec of 2009(15 months),
> received
> unemployment from Jan 2010 to June 2010(26 weeks) in order to qualify for
> the
> additional monies. That is a huge hoop to jump through, and I'd bet that
> 98% of
> people drawing unemployment in this state won't qualify. So where does all
> of
> that money really go?? But I digress...
>
> I guess my point is that if you read the news articles about unemployment
> and
> the additional monies directed to help stimulate the economy(and I really
> don't
> see how an additional $25 a week stimulates the economy, but that is
> another
> matter) everything sounds so wonderful, so rosy, so optimistic. It sounds
> so
> fiscally great to turn city land-ball fields into housing plots (first cut
> PE
> out of the school curriculum, then cut it from the city budget, then
> eliminate
> it altogether and wonder why people are FAT!), but looking closer, I'm
> hoping
> that people will see all the pitfalls this creates. It may look great on
> paper,
> but it will not help bring in tax money(those who win the housing lotto
> won't be
> able to pay) and it won't help those who are truly in need. Those people,
> the
> ones who play honestly and by the rules, will get screwed and fall into
> no-man's
> land. In the past, those with 'drive' were the ones who won the
> housing/land
> lottos, making do with less amenities to settle the outlands. Now, those
> with
> zero drive will win the housing/land lotto, and complain that the
> government
> won't provide them with services like libraries, public safety, and water
> to
> make their lawns green.
>
> The irony of this, to me, is the short sightedness of city planners or
> whoever
> came up with this scheme. Most undeveloped municipal land is undeveloped
> or
> underdeveloped for a reason. Ball fields and parks are commonly
> constructed on
> flood plains or even built upon old landfills. Placing houses on this
> ground is
> asking for trouble down the road. If they line their coffers, they will
> soon be
> paying the money back to the new homeowners, who will bring suit to the
> city
> after things go bad.
>
>
>
> Gene GeRue wrote:
>> Don't panic. It is not yet another insidious way for urban bureaucrats to
>>fleece we noble country folk. But for sure this is a definition I had
>>never
>>considered.
>>
>> From:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/us/26revenue.html?_r=1&hp
>>
>> Beatrice was a starting point for the Homestead Act of 1862, the federal
>> law
>>that handed land to pioneering farmers. Back then, the goal was to settle
>>the
>>West. The goal of Beatrice’s “Homestead Act of 2010,” is, in part, to
>>replenish
>>city coffers.
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