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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

O.K., back to answering the questions.  Since I don't feel that most of the 
men who have been in the position as POTUS have respected the position, I 
find it hard to respect someone who is disrespectful from the get go.  Am I 
clear as mud as usual?? <g>

Your point about "if the problem is the CIA" well, I'm gonna have to go with 
the old adage put forth by a former POTUS, "the buck stops here."  He who is 
POTUS is ultimately responsible for all those who are under him.

I don't label those who support the current White House resident's health 
plan Socialists or Communists.  I'd label most of them as ignorant or power 
mad sheople.  The vast majority either haven't even read the blooming bills 
OR don't give a dead rat's patooty and are only concerned with their own 
agenda.  Case in point, Dean on t.v. today.  YUCK, and a lie a minute.

As to label all conservatives whatever and all liberals whatever, the 
problem is that folks need to remember another "truth," you are judged by 
the company you keep.

Is there a conspiracy or not?  Impossible to discuss who influences who 
without someone screaming conspiracy.  Was a lot of what has gone on with 
the current White House resident influence with a purpose?  Sure.  People 
don't fork out the big bucks without expecting to get something in return. 
Did anyone excpect him to make it to the tippy top?  Probably not.  But it 
sure is nice to have a Senator or two or 10 or 20 in your pocket.

As to the internet bill.  Sometimes these guys don't make a whole lot of 
sense, "A Senate source familiar with the bill likened the new power to take 
control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when he 
grounded all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001, CNET News reported."  Ah, excuse 
me, but what the heck was wrong with that?  You have an untold number of 
planes flying around playing kamakazi, makes sense to me to ground all 
non-military aircraft until you sort the whole thing out.  Are we perhaps 
dumb as dirt or arguing apples and oranges or simply arguing for arguements 
sake?

So, it seems I now have more legislation to read <g>  Geez Louise, I need a 
break.  I no sooner finish slogging my way through all the Senate and House 
healthcare bills and it's fair time and I have to spend a week with youngest 
(her lambs got 3rd and 4th in market classes, 3rd in the carcass contest, 
she got a 3rd in showmanship, her two banties both got blues, Best in 
Division, Second Best in Division and Best in Show and she got a 2nd in 
poultry showmanship.  She also got first with her jam, her cookies, the cake 
she decorated, her display case and her collage "Made of Trinity" that she 
made out of burned leaves from last year's fire that she called "Summer of 
2008", gotta brag a little <g>) and now you want me to go cross-eyed again. 
~~sigh~~ <g>

Lynda
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> I've been wondering why no one is talking about the implications of
> President Obama's appointments and how that might affect change.  Our
> country's founding fathers envisioned our system to be one where there
> would be an exchange of ideas and hearty, vigorous, impassioned debate
> about those ideas, even if the debate became raw or ugly, like it
> sometimes does here.  I just wish we could stop the mischaracterization,
> the hyperbole, the throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and the
> inflammatory slander.  Perhaps we could start by agreeing to respect the
> current AND former Presidents and staff, regardless of our personal
> feelings as to their character.  We could omit the name calling and
> nicknames and be more distinct in our blame than just naming the
> president in office at the time.  If the problem is the CIA, then we say
> the CIA under the first President Bush, or the CIA during President
> Obama's Administration or the FBI under Reno's helm, etc.  Perhaps we
> need to eliminate the broad characterizations and be more specific.  To
> label all Conservatives as the Religious Right would be inaccurate.  To
> label all Liberals who support President Obama's healthcare plan as
> Socialists or Communists or whatever is also unfair. Likewise, all those
> who supported Bush are not Fascist.  We are mature, intelligent adults
> and I think we can talk about things like this....I WANT to talk about
> things like this...I would LOVE to see a serious, non-conspiracy minded
> discussion about the possible influence of people like Frank Davis on
> our President.  Assuming there is influence at all, is it a good thing
> or a bad thing?  I like to learn about cause and effect.  I just read
> this article
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/?test=latestnews
> and I am trying to figure out how this can be a good thing. Where is the
> ACLU on this?  There are all kinds of stories that I would like to see
> discussed here.
>
> The other day, on Facebook, Lee posted a satirical link that well, I
> don't know how to describe it, but it was about Socialist Fire
> Departments-playing off the Socialist Healthcare fearmongering. (and
> Lee, I'm assuming that if you don't want me to air this, you will edit
> this out of my post) It was quite funny and ingenious, making the point
> opposite of the way I feel on the matter. I laughed about it with her
> and told her that I am quite proud that I have a very, very diverse
> group of Facebook friends and real life friends.  When someone whom I
> respect, like Lee, posts something like this, it gives me pause to think
> that perhaps I have missed something on this issue.  I read opposing
> views with the hope that I learn something that either forms, challenges
> or reinforces my own belief.  I am definitely not set in my ways, just
> at a point in my life that I am starting to pay more attention and
> really attempt to make a stand on things like torture or healthcare, IF
> I can gather enough information to make a decision.  I've always relied
> on this list for that.
>
> Bev
>
> --
> Sleep well tonight, for somewhere in the ocean's depths, MY son is
> protecting your freedom on the USS Key West, currently deployed
> somewhere in the Pacific and/or Indian Ocean.  Go Navy!
> EarthNSky Farm, NW Georgia, USA
>
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