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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Lynn, I just put Tioga & RFID in yahoo search and copy/pasted .  I was just 
trying to make the point that soon it will be everywhere; I didn't read the 
article.  The next rollout of RFID , they will be in all cellphones.  If you 
have cellphone reception, there will be, eventually, rfid readers.  Even in 
small communities.
It does sound like you live in a nice place though.  Too bad you get lots of 
snow, or else I might check out PA.....bobf



----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:49:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Socialism - What is it? Who gets it? Why?


Bob; if you read the article you cited (The World Dairy Diary), the 
article about 'Tioga County dairy producer' (Erik Coolidge) is about a 
task force on milk quality, and has NOTHING to do with the part about 
RFID. I've been on a tour of Erik Coolidge's farm, and at that time he 
didn't use RFID chips. I actually have nothing against farmers 
voluntarily using RFID chips to monitor animals, but I don't think they 
are widely used here. I am absolutely against the NAIS. RFID chips are 
not really needed here, where most dairy farms are small enough that the 
farmers know the cows by name.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga County, PA

bob ford wrote:
> The statement was introduced by Tioga County dairy producer and task force 
> RFID Can Reduce Labor Costs 
> Posted: September 8, 2007 at 8:13 pm
> By Chuck Zimmerman 
> There was a great demonstration on how RFID can help reduce labor costs and 
> make record-keeping easier at the recent ID/INFO Expo in Kansas City.
> Steven Smith with DHI-Provo demonstrated how the Pocket DHI-Plus works with 
> RFID through a video that showed a dairy producer walking alongside his 
> animals and scanning them. As he did that, you could hear what he was 
> hearing in his ear piece, whether to skip the animal, whether it needed to 
> be preg-checked, or was due for injections, or whatever - depending on the 
> program. It was a great demo - they should post it on You Tube!
> Here is an interview with Steven about DHI-Provo:
> 
> And here is alink to the proceedings of the from the NIAA 2007 ID-INFO Expo 
> where you can find his presentation.
> Post a Comment
> Filed under: Animal Health / Animal ID / Audio / Dairy Business / General / 
> NIAA
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Wigglesworth 
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:03:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Socialism - What is it? Who gets it? Why?
> 
> 
> Bob; It's still possible to live under the government's radar, or at 
> least out of the spotlight. I don't like all that stuff, and vote 
> against it, but life in the country is SO different than you describe. 
> No RFID chips in my old truck. Only 3 or 4 traffic lights in my whole 
> county, and certainly no traffic cameras. I live poor, and pay no taxes 
> (in fact, I get money back through the Earned Income program). I'm 
> trying to get back to a mostly cash system; I don't like all my credit 
> info out there, mostly because of identity theft.
> 
> I certainly am of no interest to the government; this whole area is 
> pretty much overlooked by everyone. We haven't had anyone from the 
> presidential campaigns come within 100 (probably more) miles of us. Oh, 
> everyone here knows my business, but that's just rural nosiness, which 
> is more efficient than any government spy program.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Tioga County, PA
> 
> bob ford wrote:
>> Gene, thanks.  I have a problem putting my thoughts on paper.  Where you 
>> and I might differ is that you are looking at socialism as using practical 
>> programs to help others in the community.  If that is the communities 
>> choice, that is not socialism.  It could be called kindness, charity, 
>> Christianity ( or another religion that teaches to help the less 
>> fortunate).  
>>
>> Gene , I have helped people all of my life.  That was my choice.  I have 
>> also been hounded for years by the revenue collectors for the federal 
>> reserve.  Mistakes on their part and mine, but just mistakes.  Now they 
>> ask for a fortune with their requests backed by guns and badges.  Yes I 
>> fear the tyranny of the government.
>> I've seen how they work.
>>
>> If I were to take that trip to Missouri, my car has a RFID chip which will 
>> broadcast the vin to any RFID reader.  Arizona just started RFID enabled 
>> Drivers License (look at the article I posted yesterday).  Traffic cameras 
>> across the country are being linked together to follow any car, and all 
>> cars, nationwide (look at the article I posted this morning)
>>
>> I don't believe there is some great conspiracy.  I've read the sites where 
>> people say the Vatican controls the Fed or The Jews (like they are 
>> monolithic?) control the Fed,, or the Masons control the Fed.  This is not 
>> about religion, group identity, or really even money.  Its about power.  
>> Money is the way to achieve power.  Once you have power, you live as you 
>> please , and control the others so that they don't misbehave.  I feel like 
>> misbehaving.....bobford
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
>>
>>
>> Bob, thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> I have no interest in taking shots. I seek truth.
>>
>> I largely feel as you do. But the word "socialism," it seems to me, is  
>> today used more casually and less usefully than in the past. For  
>> instance, here, you seem to feel that loss of freedom is tied to  
>> socialism. How do you see that connection? I see it as Big Brother-- 
>> the government--intruding further into our lives, not the direct  
>> result of social programs except as we willingly accept them. Yes, for  
>> some we have no choice. Pay taxes or go to jail.
>>
>> We cannot take or use what the government provides without giving up  
>> some freedom. If we use any public facilities then we are subject to  
>> the rules of those charged with maintaining those facilities. So, yes,  
>> if you walk to the store, your freedom is restricted by traffic  
>> signals. But that walk is your choice. To avoid that walk you must  
>> leave the city. That is my choice.
>>
>> Seems to me you could take that Missouri trip as you wish. As long as  
>> you pay cash, there is no record of your movement except your  
>> registration in the hotel. The hotel is a choice for you. If you  
>> choose to stay in the hotel you must follow the rules of the hotel,  
>> which will certainly include identification and registration. The  
>> hotel management would be fools to not require that. Would you give a  
>> room in your house to someone you did not know?
>>
>> Tyranny of the many over the few is also sometimes suggested as a  
>> definition of democracy. It doesn't work; all of us have equal power  
>> at the ballot box. We mostly deserve what we get, except when lies are  
>> so well done that we cannot see through them. I detest lies but they  
>> are part of the modern scene. To me they are criminal and those who  
>> speak or write them should be subject to censure. Whoops--that would  
>> be a loss of their freedom, right? So we see that full freedom  
>> includes recieving much we don't want.
>>
>> I have been a non-conformist for all of my life. It has caused me  
>> pain. I persist. The homestead life, here in the midst of hundreds of  
>> wooded acres, is my best answer.
>>
>>
>>
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