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["Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>]

I'd disagree.  I think 43 is fully aware, fully in charge and "uses" other
folks as an excuse and to have someone to blame.  He is of the first of the
excuse driven generations and has it down to a fine science.  His father
brought in the crew to prep Jr. for the election.  43 didn't choose Rice or
Cheney or Wolfowitz.  They started doing cram sessions back in 97 or 98.
They are the folks that advised him to buy "The Ranch" so that he would have
a backdrop to develop a visual personality that the general public could
associate him with and to distance him from Funeralgate, failed businesses
and the insider trading issues.

In my experience, most psychiatrists (don't know about psychologists or
analysts because I didn't work with them) differentiate between psychopaths
and sociopaths.  They consider psychopaths to be mentally ill and sociopaths
to be a personality disorder.  A fine line but a difference, kinda like the
old joke about the difference between fishing and coma <g>

Also, a narcistic personality isn't the same as the varying degrees of
narcissim that most folks have.  And, Clinton is a good example of a
narcistic personality.   They are fully aware of what they are doing and
that it isn't o.k. with the rest of the world.  Their answer is to always
smile sweetly and say I'm sorry after the fact and that makes it all o.k.

All my psych books are in storage and the boxes are buried or I'd give you
the descriptions with all the 50 cent words <g>

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>

\> As for narcissism, I think most of us have a healthy dose.
>
> I read a bit of an Executive Intelligence Review interview with Justin
> Frank, the author of "Bush on the Couch." Frank is a practicing
> psychoanalyst in Washington, and is on the faculty of the George
Washington
> University Medical School. He used applied psychoanalysis to analyze Bush.
> He notes that psychoanalysts and psychiatrists who are not very familiar
> with applied psychoanalysis feel it should only be used on foreign
leaders.
> Which is how we know that Saddam Hussein is also a psychopath.
>
> Here is an excerpt from that interview:
> EIR: One of the things that we've focussed on a great deal, more from the
> standpoint of a political assessment of the Administration, is that Bush
> seems to have developed a rather deep psychological dependence on Vice
> President Cheney as the person to make most of the really tough decisions
> in the Administration. Would you share that view?
>
> Frank: I don't entirely share that view, because my view is that he is a
> puppet who chose his puppeteers, so in that sense he is dependent on him,
> but in another sense I think he is dependent on him for supporting his
> decisions, but I think that Bush makes the decisions. I think that he is
> dependent on Cheney for thinking them through in public, and for
> articulating them. And for being the kind of public, outspoken person, and
> so he had to go with Cheney to the 9/11 Commission. And that's about
> dependency, I agree with you. But my sense is that he really knows what he
> wants to do once he hears stuff, and he is basically focussed on very few
> things. The main reason for depending on Cheney, and I can see that
> politically, the main reason is that he does not like to do the work of
> thinking, because it makes him too anxious. And most of the ideas in my
> book are about Bush's functioning to defend against anxiety. And that's
> really basically what he's about.
>
> EIR: What I found particularly striking is a kind of a deadly mix of
> experiences: the trauma over his sister's death, and the way the family
> handled that. Then developing an at least alcohol-some people say alcohol
> and drug dependency-for quite a number of years. It seemed to me that this
> is almost a kind of very extreme clinical case of somebody who's nominally
> walking around as functional, but really has got deep, deep psychological
> scars.
>
> Frank: Yes, it has to do with the fact that he was never able to mourn,
and
> when you don't mourn, you can't integrate your inner life. What happens is
> that, as I write in the book, sorrow is the vitamin of growth, and until
> you face who you are and what you've lost, you really can't organize your
> mind, and so what happens is when you're the first born, and the next one
> dies, you're left with a lot of unworked-out hostility, anger, guilt, that
> maybe your wishes killed them. You have lots of magical thinking, and if
> you don't have a family that helps you gather those things together, you
> can be in a lot of trouble.
>
> So then you have to manage your feelings yourself. And one of the ways
> people do manage them when they are that age, is they have friends to talk
> to; but he doesn't seem to have had anybody to talk to much. But they also
> read, and pay attention to things, so they learn about human beings from
> reading about other people, if their parents aren't responsive to them.
But
> he really has such a hard time reading, that it's like swimming with
> weights. I mean, it's just too much for him. So he didn't have that avenue
> either, so he became sometimes cruel to people, with animals, which is one
> way of managing your aggression, and then to drink in order to manage his
> anxiety, and he became a very heavy drinker, that's very clear, till he
was
> 40, at least.
>
> http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2004/3133dr_justin_frank.html
>
>
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