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["Toni Hawryluk" <tonihawr AT msn.com>]

> >http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/04-6om/Berry.html<http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/04-6om/Berry.html<http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/04-6om/Berry.html>>
> >WENDELL BERRY
> >COMPROMISE, HELL !
>
> I finally managed to find the article. Need to trim that double url, Toni.

I wondered about that - occasionally I get 'double URLs'
and now I *see* that regardless of what is *sent*, it is
possible for software somewhere to change it - when I
*sent* the URL, I copied/pasted from the address line.
Hmmmm - if I'd sent *just* the www+ part, and not
the http part, it might not have doubled "somewhere' ??

> I've been reading Wendell Berry for decades and have enjoyed most of his 
> work. He is an articulate advocate who loves the land. Occasionally he is 
> problematic to me, as in his argument against the computer and his apologia 
for tobacco.

I've only had the time to do 'optional' reading in the
last few years - so he's 'new' to me ...

(snip) Well, to effect the changes Berry advocates, what we need to do is to 
stop increasing our population 

I think "we" have outbred almost every other form
of life on the globe - in spite of the current political
stupidity and those past - so it would seem he is
correct in that point - - 

> and to change our American lifestyle. 

Guilty as charged - even though my driving 
is cut way back since I ran out of freeway 
reflexes - I am on 'city utilities' (now) -
thousands of miles of plumbing and cables 
and the rest of those "support systems"...

(snip) Most urban dwellers today are the children of urban dwellers, whose 
memory of the land is obscure, so they have little knowledge of or sympathy 
for the land. And they have most of the votes. And they dominate the economy.
>
(snip) These are choices each of us makes with each trip through the checkout 
line. They are the natural result of a free enterprise system, rising 
population, and an evolving lifestyle.

Mostly guilty again. Although *my* particular
'lifestyle' *is* winding down, the person/people
who move onto my city lot when I'm gone will 
no doubt remove the edibles since they may not 
'have the time' (nor the inclination) to continue 
what few 'self-sufficiencies' I have managed to 
keep going here. 

> There is a clear momentum to our society. The direction in which it is 
> going is not helpful to the land. And each one of us is contributing to 
> that direction.

A-yup ....
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6263048/site/newsweek/<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6263048/site/newsweek/>

 

or read Newsweek October 25  issue 

 

excerpt :

The hard-line mullahs of Iran, however, are awash in cash. "Up through last 
year, they had come up with something like $20 billion extra they did not 
have to spend [on the regular budget]," says Azadeh Kian-Thiebaut, author of 
several studies of modern Iran. "They are rich," she says. And prices have 
jumped dramatically since then. At the same time, Grand Ayatollah Ali 
Khamenei and his close allies have marginalized, brutalized and eliminated 
whatever was left of the democratic and reformist spirit that flourished in 
the country during the late 1990s.

 

Resentment of the mullahs' corruption is still widespread. But money helps 
buy quiet. A reign of fear is returning under the Revolutionary Guard Corps, 
or Pasdaran, now in de facto control of all major ministries. But protest and 
unrest are also subdued because of patronage: windfall billions channeled 
through the mullahs' charitable foundations. "The major problem is Iran's 
youth unemployment," says Kian-Thiebaut. The Iranian leadership can pump 
money into the black economy, where little is accounted for, but where most 
young people earn their living. In rural areas and in many slums, says 
Kian-Thiebaut,

 

 "there are people who really do survive only because of what they get from 
the government."

 

(my NOTE : - oh, you mean like me here in the US living totally on Social 
Security benefits because "women don't need educations - *or pensions* - 
since they are eventually going to get married . yeah, right )