Kata Markon

[Steve Black <sdblack AT telus.net>]

> Thank you so much! This is very interesting! According to Mack, which
> background does the miracle-tradition belong to? It is neither of pauline
> origin nor does it originate in Q.
> Do Mack, Robbins and perhaps Neyrey form a group, something we call a
> 'Schule' in Germany? Gudrun Guttenberger

I hugely oversimplified Mack's argument. He traces many "sub-groups"
(as it were) other than merely the Jesus people and the Christ cult.
I mentioned these two basic groups because I thought I could (in
brief) capture Mack's general argument this way.

Mack mentions several groups under the general heading of "The Jesus
People", including "the itinerants in Galilee" (the "Q" community),
the "Pillars in Jerusalem", the Family of Jesus, the "Congregation of
Israel", and the Synagogue Reform mvt. If I understand him, I think
that the miracle stories circulated among the "Congregation of
Israel". (pp. 91-92) Originally they might have provided a form of
entertainment.

I am not sure I would group Mack together with Robbins or Neyrey.
Mack strikes me as far more iconoclastic.

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Steve Black [mailto:sdblack AT telus.net]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2002 16:23
> An: Kata Markon
> Betreff: [gmark] Re: mack, myth
>
>
> Prof. Dr. Gudrun Guttenberger wrote...
> > Someone recommended Mack, Myth of innocence last week as very
> > interesting. What is the thesis of the book?
>
> I hope I do Mack justice...
>
> Mack has a few points I think he wants to make.
> 1. The early church totally misunderstood Jesus. Mack does a
> fascinating historical reconstruction of early Xnty. Jesus was
> something like a cynic and nothing like the picture we have of him in
> Mark. (This is of course a huge simplification of his argument.)
>
> 2. If there is a "Christ event" it is not to be found with Jesus  or
> even with Paul, but with Mark. This is part of what I find most
> interesting. Mark crafted a narrative that brought together the
> "Jesus people" (Q, and others) and the "Christ cult (Paul and
> others). In this new synthesis Xnty was born.
>
> Mack makes other more polemical assertions about Xnty at the end of
> his book that I think are not as significant to the general
> discussion, and this is where I see a greater weakness in his book. I
> have obviously left out a great deal. These are the highlights as I
> see them
>
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> Steve Black
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