Kata Markon

["Ted Weeden" <weedent AT atw.earthreach.com>]

Thanks. Ron.  Oversight and correction noted.

Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Price <ron.price AT virgin.net>
To: Kata Markon <gmark AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:52 AM
Subject: [gmark] Denigration of Peter et al. (was: Peter's Denial)


> I wrote:
>
> >> A more consistent hypothesis is that all the original
> >>leading followers of Jesus were being deliberately denigrated, as
> >>(first?) pointed out by E.Trocme in _The Formation of the Gospel
> >>according to Mark_.
>
> Ted Weeden replied:
> >The denigration, according to Trocme ....... is of the Jerusalen church,
not
> >as far as I can see against " all leading followers of Jesus," which
would
> >include Peter and the disciples.  Have I missed something????
>
> Ted,
>   Yes.
>   One key feature you may have missed is Trocme's unorthodox view that
> there were two editions of Mark, the first comprising chs.1-13,
> supposedly written ca. 50CE. On that basis James would have been the
> leader of the Jerusalem Church at the time when chs. 1-13 were written
> and it would have been impossible to criticize the Jerusalem Church
> without implying criticism of James (and for that matter, of Peter, c.f.
> Gal 2:9). Although I have great admiration for the first part of
> Trocme's book, I think his idea of two editions is quite untenable.
>   (By the way I also had missed something, for because Peter's Denial is
> in ch.14 in the 'Second Edition', Trocme does not seem to count it as
> part of the evidence of an anti-Peter slant in Mark.)
>
>   The relevant sub-sections are "Implied criticisms of Christians" and
> "Explicit criticisms of Christians". These are pages 107-137 in the
> English translation (London, SPCK, 1975).
>   Here are a few gems from these pages.
> "Once again the author of Mark is directing sharp thrusts at certain
> leaders of the Church ....... The church leaders thus attacked are easy
> to identify ....... Peter ....... James ....... and Andrew." p.125
> "The author of Mark is accordingly practically as reserved towards the
> sons of Zebedee as towards Peter." p.130
> "We must therefore consider the author of Mark ....... as the avowed
> enemy of James, the Lord's brother, sole head of the church of Jerusalem
> for many years ......." p.136
>
>   Incidentally I was also very favourably impressed by your _Mark -
> Traditions in Conflict_ when I read it some years ago, and it wasn't
> lumbered with an untenable hypothesis about Mark's composition!
>
> Ron Price
>
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>
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>
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