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[Corpus-Paul] Question on 'Paul and Judaism' by Mark Nanos
- From: "gogo1320" <gogo1320 AT sbcglobal.net>
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- Subject: [Corpus-Paul] Question on 'Paul and Judaism' by Mark Nanos
- Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:26:17 -0500
Dear Pastor Tim Gallant,
I happen to be up late tonight reading
the dialog between yourself and Mark Nanos. What really sparked my interest was
when you wrote: "The difference on that score is not that the Gentiles have
replaced Israel, but rather that Gentiles have been included in one people with
Israel." I find this very valuable because i know that Mark himself
dissagress that Gentiles are grafted into Israel through my own dialog with him.
Where I differ with you (I am assuming) is that the Torah is still to be
observed under the New Covenant (Matthew 5:17; Jeremiah 31:31ff; Hebrews
8:7-13). Notice here in the verses cited from Hebrews that in the Greek of those
verses, the word "covenant" is missing (vs. 7, 13). They have been supplied by
the translators which the writter did not place there. It actually changes the
meaning of the verses for the writer to the Hebrews has the sacrificial system
and the priesthood in view not the entire Mosaic Covenant. Jesus (Yeshua
Messiah) said that he did not come to "abolish" the Torah or the Prophets. Not
one jot or tittle shall pass from the Torah until all has been fulfilled. Of
course, Protestant theology says that Jesus fulfilled the Law there it is no
longer to be obeyed, such as an order that is placed and then "fulfilled" where
afterwards you can discard the original order. But that is exactly what Jesus
said he didn't come to do. That is essentially abolishing the Torah! And how are
we to fulfill something that is abolished (Romans 8:4)? And does faith abolish
the Torah (see Romans 3:31)? All of this in view, including Paul's lifestyle of
Torah observance as well as other believing Jews (Acts 21:20-24), would it not
make sense that Gentiles who are grafted into Israel be called to keep the same
Torah as Israel keeps? Could we look at Acts 15 as saying that a Gentile doesn't
have to come under the ritual of proselyte conversion (i.e. circumcision) and be
oblidged to observe the whole Torah (Gal. 5:3) which would include both the
Written and Oral Torahs, but keep some minimal requirements to maintain table
fellowship with the Jewish People, while continuing to come to synagogue on
Shabbat to hear and learn and might me say do more Torah (Acts 15:21)?
It would seem to be what Jesus had in mind for the Gentiles when he commissioned
his apostles to disciple them and to teach them to observe all things
whatsoever he had commanded the 11 apostles (the 12 minus Judas). Let me know
what you think.
P.S.
I'm going to carbon copy this to Mark Nanos, and
probably to some others also.
Yeshua's talmid,
Donald C. Rogan
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[Corpus-Paul] Question on 'Paul and Judaism' by Mark Nanos,
gogo1320, 11/12/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Question on 'Paul and Judaism' by Mark Nanos, Justin Dombrowski, 11/12/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Question on 'Paul and Judaism' by Mark Nanos, Tim Gallant, 11/22/2005
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