Corpus-Paul

["Mark D. Nanos" <nanosmd AT comcast.net>]

Dear Paul--I mean Dieter,
I reply as a fellow list member and not in the role of moderator. I take the
expressions of those who have tired of this thread to also be comments made
not in the role of moderators, but only active list members who have grown
weary of the style of conversation. I am at least not aware of any posts
being denied. It is actually very interesting for me to entertain this and
other new ideas that arise on C-P, one of its strengths. But I must agree
that the arguments have been made, some objections raised, and even when
some have wanted to opt out of further discussion, they are engaged again in
a kind of way that if they do not take it up, looks like they have
capitulated. That is not helpful, and I think the basis for the exasperation
to which you react. I have experienced the same in earlier exchanges, which
have included off-list pursuits as well.

There is always a fine line between discussion or dialogue and the point
where it slides into monologue and monopolizing and then into something more
like propaganda, which line is not drawn in the same place by everyone.
Likewise, there are different lines drawn when it comes to censuring.
Perhaps after the challenge laid down by Edgar Krentz has been researched
and posted, we will be able to move the discussion along profitably.
Otherwise, it does look like the points have been made and judged variously
as convincing or not (I find it terribly circular and unlikely logically on
the matter of Titus=Timothy, even if such name changes could be demonstrated
in other cases, but the "possibility" tempers my own confidence in their
separate identities in a new way, as historical research should always be
tempered, I think).

Is there something more specific about the topic that you wish to share, o
paulish-sounding one?

Shalom,
Mark
-- 
Mark D. Nanos, Ph.D.
Rockhurst University
Co-Moderator
http://home.comcast.net/~nanosmd/


on 3/14/05 5:45 AM, Mitternacht Dieter at dieter.mitternacht AT teol.lu.se
wrote:

> Comissioned by noone except for being a "fellow" human being I greet listers
> and moderators. Grace and peace...
> 
> I am surprised by the tone of rejection that has been made public so 
> quickly.
> Is there any other? Or are some just trying to confuse the rest and divert
> attention from the fact that there has been more than one instance on this
> list that would fit the same charge? If anyone, even I myself or a 
> moderator,
> should commit the same mistake, let there be the same measure. Should I 
> repeat
> what I have already said? Whom are we trying to please?
> 
> Dieter 
> Lund, Sweden
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edgar Krentz" <ekrentz AT sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Corpus-Paul" <corpus-paul AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Corpus-Paul] Titus/Timothy
> 
> 
>> Thanks for this, Sheila. I got tired of this topic, which is now around for
>> the third time and
>> tried to say by indirection, drop it. Didn't work. So I then tried to 
>> answer
>> it; also didn't work.
>> I wish people would just ignore him and hope he would go away.
>> 
>> So I agree entirely with your evaluation and suggestion.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> --- "Sheila E. McGinn, Ph.D." <smcginn AT jcu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Richard, I, for one, think you are beating a dead horse.
>>>> From the start I have thought your speculation highly
>>> improbable, at best, for the reasons Edgar recently has
>>> articulated, but did not deem it a serious enough suggestion
>>> to merit a rebuttal. I think you have gone well beyond the
>>> central expertise of this list and, again as Edgar has
>>> suggested, you should float your proposition on the Classics
>>> list to get their response. If you can come back and tell us
>>> that they supported your proposal, that might be of
>>> interest; but I think the probability of that happening
>>> approaches 0. If you are not willing to go to the experts on
>>> this, then I personally (as a list-membe here, not as
>>> moderator) wish you would move on to another topic that is
>>> more directly related to our proper subject. Sheila McGinn
>>> Sheila E. McGinn, Ph.D.
>>> Professor of Biblical Studies
>>>  & Early Christianity
>>> Department of Religious Studies
>>> John Carroll University
>>> 20700 North Park Boulevard
>>> University Heights, OH 44118
>>> 
>>> tel. 216-397-3087
>>> fax: 216-397-4518
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>> 
>> 
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>> Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
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