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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant
- From: "Rabbi Saul" <tim AT rabbisaul.com>
- To: "Corpus-Paul" <corpus-paul AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant
- Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:13:39 -0600
John Brand wrote,
John, I cannot reproduce in a short
email my entire perspective, but here is a very abbreviated
response:
"Human cooperation" is an awfully
slippery term, and is of little interest to me, and the charge that "theology
after Augustine" tends to marginalize it is far too sweeping for me to interact
with. I would rather speak of "human response," which is elicited by God's
own acts and words of power.
There is a Christ-as-Torah theme which
is picked up by Paul (e.g. glossing Torah in Deut 30 as Christ Himself in Rom
10.6-8), and thus the regulatory functions of Torah are refracted/fulfilled in
and under Christ. Thus I have no problem saying (contra many
hyper law/gospel theologians) that then new covenant includes "demand," a
regulative function. Moreover, the union with Christ in whose flesh sin
was condemned (Rom 8.3), and who is now life-giving Spirit (1 Cor 15.45), means
that new covenant believers have a new power to walk in the ways of the
Lord.
Finally, the new covenant is not
different from the old in the sense that God never mandates works as a means of
earning life, which is always an inheritance. Paul's pistiV argument revolves around his presupposition that the
heart of man's relationship to God is covenant loyalty, which takes various
embodied expressions at different points in salvation history. PistiV is always the righteous response God seeks, and that
is one reason why Paul can marginalize Torah, because pistiV both predates and antedates it.
tim
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[Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant,
John Brand, 08/13/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant, Rabbi Saul, 08/13/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant,
meta, 08/13/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant, John Brand, 08/16/2004
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[Corpus-Paul] Pauline Satisfaction of the Divine Justice,
John Brand, 08/13/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Pauline Satisfaction of the Divine Justice,
Jim West, 08/13/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Pauline Satisfaction of the Divine Justice, John Brand, 08/16/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Pauline Satisfaction of the Divine Justice,
Jim West, 08/13/2004
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[Corpus-Paul] Second Temple Judaism and Covenant,
John Brand, 08/13/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Paul and the Divine Justice: Anslem of Canterbury,
Rabbi Saul, 08/13/2004
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[Corpus-Paul] Paul and the Divine Justice: Anslem of Canterbury,
John Brand, 08/12/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] (no subject),
Rabbi Saul, 08/12/2004
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