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  • From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <ekrentz AT earthlink.net>
  • To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
  • Subject: Re: Onesimus and Onesiphorus
  • Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:25:01 -0500


Dear Edgar,

While one might well question which approach should now be considered as
the ëtraditionalist approachí, I must confess that I have not sat down to
read the ëheavy reasonsí why the epistles under discussion here are
deutero-pauline. I would have read presentations and refutations of such
arguments, but not many, and though I canít recall any details at the
moment, I cannot recall them being persuasive. I suspect a couple of the
issues revolved around non-compatibility with the events of Acts and
church government as per the pastorals reflecting a later period.

In other posts I have mentioned a reconstruction of the 60s I have
published which is based on an early date for the Revelation (preceding
most of the NT) and which follows on from Acts (in ëRedating the
Revelation andÖí). It provides quite reasonable backgrounds for Ephesians,
Colossians and Philemon as genuinely Pauline and all written from Ephesus.
It does the same for the authorship of the pastorals. The reconstruction
is necessarily speculative, but not wildly so. Even without the
reconstruction and aside from the lettersí acceptance by the early Church,
I think there are enough unknowns about the Acts and post-Acts periods for
Pauline authorship to be more probable than not.

Kym Smith

I can see, Kym, that we differ. I have not read you arguments for an
early dating of Revelation. I date in in the 90s, at roughly the same
time as Matthew and 2 Thessalonians, in a burgeoning of apocalyptic
expectation in Christianity.

I am not persuaded that there is an Ephesian imprisonment, though
many scholars do. There was certainly opposition to Paul in Ephesus.
But neither Acts or Paul expressly speak of imprisonment.

It is not clear from paragraph two above how you date Revelation in
relation to Paul's letters. And I guess we just differ about the
probability of Pauline authorship of Ephesians and the Pastorals. I
do agree with the statement that "If Colossians is by Paul, it must
be dated as late as possible; if not by Paul, as early as possible.

Thanks for the reply.

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