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[Jonathan Mitchell <website3 AT jonathanmitchell.info>]

There was a panel discussion about this last week at the Musicworks
convention; http://www.musicworksuk.com/?node_id=1.3.2&id=83 . Andrés
Guadumuz blogged this at http://tinyurl.com/7omnq . The point was there made
that collecting society rules in UK effectively debar simultaneous use of CC
licences. One possible answer is an EU proposal to allow creators to
determine (a) which collecting society to use EU wide and (b) to stipulate
what it will collect: see FAQs at
http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/copyright/management/management_en
.htm . These state Œthe individual membership contract will allow the
right-holder to define precisely the categories of rights administered Π.
See also http://www.edri.org/issues/governance/eupolicy .

British Music Rights, (whose lawyer claimed at Musicworks that it took him,
er, two hours on the internet to find the terms of the CC licence) complain
"any solution that proposes to introduce competition between societies for
users by allowing "forum-shopping" would totally undermine [their
position]": http://www.bmr.org/html/submissions/submission111.htm . Indeed.

Meanwhile there's no movement. The BASC licence David Ferguson talked about
is still not publicly available even in draft- all we saw was its logo
(which was misspelled). It doesn't however seem that it will be compatible
with current collecting society requirements either.


Jonathan
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> From: Ed Griffith-Jones <ed AT acrewoods.net>
> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:56:28 +0100
> To: Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [Cc-uk] Collecting Societies
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I was just wondering is anyone has spoken to the UK Collecting Societies 
> about
> Creative Commons recently?
> 
> What is their current stance on CC?
> 
> Ed
> Remix Reading / Brighton / FC-UK
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I have already had a meeting with ACLS and they were rather positive in
> relation to both the commercial and non-commercial versions of the licence.
> The message we are trying to pass is pretty much the one that Ashlyn from
> Fading Ways was suggesting in a previous posting:
> 
>> While he is correct in pointing
>> out that CC is not a copyright alternative, CC licenses clearly are
>> NEEDED in today's marketplace for artists that believe home-taping and
>> P2P file sharing is beneficial to our work and essential to our
>> internet and street-team marketing. It is ludicrous to accept the
>> present music b usiness industry model, which is incredibly stumped and
>> outdated by the information highway, without looking at other ways to
>> legally improve our business practices.
> 
> 
> I am planning meetings with the rest of the UK collecting societies within
> March/April, so I will keep you posted on that. Just wanted the licences to 
> be
> finalised and on the website before proceeding to any further discussions 
> with
> collecting societies.
> 
> Having said that I would like to thank you all for the feedback you keep
> providing on the licences. Also, to the CC-Scotland team: sorry for the 
> CC-UK
> mistake on the licences, it keeps popping up the whole time in a rather
> embarassing way!!!
> 
> Best,
> pRo
> 
> 
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> 
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