Development of the Creative Commons Sampling license (or license option)

[David Meme <david AT locarecords.com>]

This strikes me as a weird attitude. You are saying that if it were 
legal to copy and reuse stuff you wouldn't want to. Rather than looking 
for interesting sounds from all over you seem to be making the odd 
point that you'll only do it if it causes a fuss - which seems somewhat 
cynical to me. Additionally, we might as well just have full-on 
copyright and close down any reuse if we extrapolate your argument. 
That way *all* samples would be interesting to you.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood, but I think this statement of intent is a 
kind of pseudo-anti-establishment fight against the system that needs 
that very system in order to have meaning in your art. In other words, 
you negate any possibility of radicalism in what you are doing.

David





On 20 Apr 2005, at 18:55, mark / negativland wrote:

> FYI- in a kind of reply to some earlier posts here, as a long time 
> collage artist, I can tell you that any media or art out  there that 
> has a CC license attached to it is automatically  less interesting for 
> us to work with! :)  It's an aesthetic thing. With a few notable 
> exceptions ( our "U2" being the biggest one), we are more drawn to 
> things that are quite obscure and harder to find, so that our "found 
> sounds" are more unique to us and our work. Anything that is 
> officially up for grabs, like  with a CC license, is also up for grabs 
> to *anybody* out there. So, this makes it less unique, and thus, 
> artistically, less desirable to work with. And so, while of course we 
> support this "re-use" attitude ( and strongly espouse it in our own 
> work as well), it makes the found things less appealing. For example, 
> I'd never want to do anything in a million years with any NIN stuff. 
> *Especially* if he made it available for all to use!  While  we get 
> sampled all the time ( and of course don't mind if folks do it), it 
> seems like a rather imaginative way to go- appropriating from folks 
> who appropriate! Kinda boring, if you ask me!
>
>  We get asked all the time to make our raw samples available to people 
> to use themselves, but ( and some of you might be surprised by this) 
> we have no interest in doing this. Go and find your own cool samples, 
> ding dang it! Jeez.... :) :) ;)
>
>
> Mark