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  • From: Don Joyce <dj AT webbnet.com>
  • To: creative commons license list <cc-sampling AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [cc-sampling] where Sampling will fit in the overall licesning model
  • Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:20:09 -0700

Yes, I'm for mandatory attribution but perhaps an opt out of that is necessary to avoid a fascist fixation on art etiquette that no choice brings. Can it be worded as a strong suggestion, not as a no choice element?
DJ




On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:58:43 -0400, "t hall" <markhosler AT charter.net>
said:
Personally, while i philasophically and ethically like
the idea of attribution, I dont want to see it be
required. It should be strongly encouraged but left as a
choice. Is there a way we could do that?? Making it a rule
leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Sounds too bossy and rules
are meant to be broken! Whattya all think?

I'm just thinking simplicity, and very very few people, from our
experience, don't choose attribution. Of course it is possible to make it
an option, but as a cost-benefit thing for us, with the extra
web/metadata/backend work involved, I'm inclined to say it's standard.

Btw, I thought I remembered Don being a fan of the required attribution .
. .


Glenn - I am forgetting why "no derivative works" would
not be an option. Can you explain that again?


B/C they wouldn't be able to sample. ;-) Am I understanding you
correctly?

G.



Mark




On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:44:42 -0800
"Glenn Otis Brown" <glenn AT creativecommons.org> wrote:
>It seems we're more or less settled on the meat of the
>sampling language,
>but we have to figure out (1) this warranty and
>third-party rights issue;
>(2) how this license fits in the overall CC model.
>
>Issue (1) is something our board is talking about right
>now. There's been
>discussion about this re: all our licenses, and I think
>we'll have some
>decision soon. So let's hold off on that for now.
>
>(2) We haven't talked much about how the license will fit
>in the overall
>model. Here are my thoughts: first what I think CC policy
>should be, and
>second, why.
>
>The sampling license should be a stand-alone specialty
>license. A user
>comes to CC, clicks choose license, and sees pretty much
>the same menu of
>choices they see there today:
> <http://creativecommons.org/license/>.
>But they also see, prominently flagged next to this menu,
>a list of our
>"specialty licenses": sampling, education, developing
>nations, founders
>copyright.
>
>Let's say the user then clicks on "sampling." My ideal is
>that this is a
>standard license with no options:
>Attribution is always required (BY:), and commercial use
>is permitted
>only for transformative works (sampling, mash-ups, etc.);
>"share alike"
>is not an option, and "no derivative works" is obviously
>not an option.
>
>Here's why:
>
>a) More options aren't necessary. Offering a
>commercial-noncommercial
>option in the sampling license wouldn't make sense. Right
>now, if you
>wanted to allow any commercial use of your work,
>including derivatives
>and verbatim copies, you could simply use any of our
>current licenses
>that 1) don't specify "noncommercial" and 2) allow
>derivative works. The
>whole point of this license is refining that
>noncommerical provision to
>allow commercial transformations but not commercial
>verbatim copying.
>
>Also, 99% of our users now require Attribution, and
>Negativland has
>seemed keen on requiring it, too. I like the idea.
>
>b) Simplicity. I like our main menu of options right now
>and want it to
>remain pretty stable and simple. The more options we
>throw into that
>menu, the more confusing, time-consuming, and complicated
>the licensing
>process gets. So let's stick with our "a la carte" menu,
>and offer a
>separate "prix fixe" menu next to it.
>
>--Glenn
>
>---------------------
>Glenn Otis Brown
>Executive Director
>Creative Commons
>glenn AT creativecommons.org
>+1.650.723.7572 (telephone)
>+1.415.336.1433 (mobile)
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