discussion of the Creative Commons Metadata work

[Nathan Yergler <nathan AT yergler.net>]

Dylan, comments inline...

Dylan Harris wrote:

> I'm running ccPublisher 1.0.1.
>  
Good; that's the latest public release.

> The screen with the missing Next button just sat there; it didn't crash, but
> didn't give me much opportunity to do anything. It's the screen listing
> files (without a horizontal slider bar, so I don't know which files) after
> I'd decided to host the MP3 files on my web site.
>  
Hm.  The only potential problem I know of is if the files are read only, 
the current builds don't always bail out properly.  That's fixed in the 
development builds and will be part of 1.0.2 (real soon now).  I'll take 
a look at the UI definition and see why the horizontal scroll bar isn't 
showing up, too.

> I'm running XP Pro, SP2, with all the current patches. My screen is a
> cat-proof flat screen, max resolution 1024x768. I use a double height task
> bar. Can I suggest you open the application with the same window coordinates
> it had when it was previously closed (store them in the registry), coerced
> to fully fit the current desktop window.
>  
Sounds like a good idea.  I'll make a note and get some code put together.

> I think the application looks fine, but I believe the behaviour needs work.
> I'll think about this, and post some suggestions to your wiki.
>  
Great; I look forward to reading them.

Nathan

> Dylan
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cc-metadata-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:cc-metadata-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Yergler
> Sent: 31 January 2005 16:12
> To: discussion of the Creative Commons Metadata work
> Subject: Re: Share Your Ideas for CC Apps
>
>
> Dylan,
>
> Sounds like you have some completely valid points.  I would never claim 
> that our apps are bug free, but we have attempted to do testing, so I'm 
> sorry you ran into these problems. 
>
> Do you know what version of the app you were using?  I know there were 
> some issues with deleting tags pre-1.0, but I believe those have been 
> fixed.  Additionally, if the upload fails, starting at 1.0 ccPublisher 
> offers to send an error report to me.  I do look at those reports, and 
> have fixed several bugs which have been reported in that manner.  Did 
> you see such an error report?  The application may also create a file 
> named err.log in the installation directory, which I can use to debug 
> problems you've encountered.
>
> In regards to starting off screen, what version of Windows are you 
> running on?  I haven't experienced this problem myself, but I, too, 
> would find it annoying so I want to make sure it gets fixed. 
>
> The source code is available at Sourceforge, in the CC Tools project 
> (http://sf.net/projects/cctools).  Feel free to contact me directly for 
> information on CVS tags, etc, or take a look at 
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CC_Tools_Repository_Map for 
> information on the different modules in CVS.
>
> As I stated earlier, the points you make are valid, although I'd 
> encourage you to try the latest version.  I think it's important to 
> realize that we are not omnicient, and as such rely on feedback from our 
> users.  And that's not just feedback about bugs, but also about ways we 
> could improve the interface or user experience.  We definitly don't want 
> amatuer-looking applications, so if you have specific suggestions for 
> the interface, please let me know.  I can't speak for everyone at CC, 
> but I know I receive the best feedback, bug reports and suggestions from 
> members of this list and other "end users." 
>
> I'd encourage you to add your feature requests, improvment suggestions, 
> etc to http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CcPublisherRequests, or just 
> email them to me.
>
> Thanks again for trying ccPublisher, and let's keep this discussion 
> going so we can improve the overall state of CC applications.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nathan R. Yergler
> Software Engineer
> Creative Commons
>
>
> Dylan Harris wrote:
>
>  
>
> > To be absolutely honest, I'd be happier if the existing applications 
> > worked.
> >
> > For example, I've tried ccPublisher with MP3s under Windows, and found 
> > the following killer flaws:
> >
> > 1. Existing tags are deleted...why? This makes the application useless. 
> > 2. The application often fails, by failing to display a Next button 
> > when the process has not been completed.
> >
> > Less important, but still irritating, the application launches part way 
> > off my screen, so every time I use it, I have to move it.
> >
> > I'd try and fix the program myself, but I can't find the source code; 
> > this is probably due to my unfamiliarity with Python.
> >
> > I'm sorry to say this, but I don't think the Creative Commons software 
> > development process has been properly considered. At the very least, 
> > the application is poorly thought through, the user interface is poorly 
> > designed, and the testing is incomplete. I don't know what kind of 
> > project management you apply, but it doesn't seem to be working.
> >
> > Bluntly, the existing applications appear amateur, making Creative 
> > Commons appear amateur. I do not believe this is an image Creative 
> > Commons should be projecting.
> >
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cc-metadata-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:cc-metadata-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nathan R. 
> > Yergler
> > Sent: 24 January 2005 12:07
> > To: discussion of the Creative Commons Metadata work; 
> > cctools-developer AT lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Share Your Ideas for CC Apps
> >
> >
> > I've created a page in the CC Developer Wiki where I'd like to begin a
> > list/discussion of new tools, applications, and extensions people would 
> > like to see CC support in.  This page is just intended to serve as a 
> > "white board" for a collective, long-term brainstorming session.  As 
> > ideas become fleshed out or implementations begin, they can split off 
> > onto their own page(s).  Go ahead, add your ideas at 
> > http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Developer/BlueSky.
> >
> > Nathan R. Yergler
> > Software Engineer
> > Creative Commons
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