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- From: Andrew Rens <andrewrens AT gmail.com>
- Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l AT lists.wikimedia.org>, Development of Creative Commons licenses <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision
- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:16:29 -0400
On 29 August 2012 01:38, Anthony <osm AT inbox.org> wrote:
What I am asking is whether there is any indication whether a licensor refused permission to someone who did infringe but who ceased to infringe, withdrew infringing copies etc?
So in other words is there any evidence that a licensor has refused an informal "cure"?
Yes it is a matter of local law but it is also a matter of how local law reads the licence. The licence should not be changed if there is a negative effect on licensors in some jurisdictions.
Whether local law will permit recovery of costs is often contingent on the behaviour of the parties to a dispute. Say that a licensor proceeds against an infringer. The licensor incurs costs. However the licensee then cures or is reinstated. A court refuses to award costs to the licensor because the problem has ceased. If this happened it would discourage licensors from enforcing the licence which in my opinion is not a good result, or discourage potential licensors from using CC licences.
I am not suggesting that these issues are an absolute bar to cure or reinstatement but that any cure or reinstatement language must take into account these issues.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Andrew Rens <andrewrens AT gmail.com> wrote:It's a new provision. It's not in 3.0.
> (1) Is there any empirical indication or anecdote that the automatic
> termination has adversely affected an innocent infringer?
>
> (2) Is there an indication that a licensor has refused permission to use a
> work to someone who has infringed but cured her infringement?
What I am asking is whether there is any indication whether a licensor refused permission to someone who did infringe but who ceased to infringe, withdrew infringing copies etc?
So in other words is there any evidence that a licensor has refused an informal "cure"?
Reinstatement of the license does not mean that the copyright holder
> (3) What are the risks to licensors of cure periods or automatic
> reinstatement of licence if infringement is ended?
>
> In particular will licensors who have already incurred costs to compel
> compliance with the license be able to recover those costs.
cannot sue for the past infringement.
But can a licensor get an injunction for the past infringement?
Whether or not, and to what extent, the courts will allow recovery of
legal costs, is a matter of local law.
Yes it is a matter of local law but it is also a matter of how local law reads the licence. The licence should not be changed if there is a negative effect on licensors in some jurisdictions.
Whether local law will permit recovery of costs is often contingent on the behaviour of the parties to a dispute. Say that a licensor proceeds against an infringer. The licensor incurs costs. However the licensee then cures or is reinstated. A court refuses to award costs to the licensor because the problem has ceased. If this happened it would discourage licensors from enforcing the licence which in my opinion is not a good result, or discourage potential licensors from using CC licences.
I am not suggesting that these issues are an absolute bar to cure or reinstatement but that any cure or reinstatement language must take into account these issues.
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Andrew Rens
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Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision
, (continued)
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Anthony, 08/27/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Anthony, 08/27/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Anthony, 08/27/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, drew Roberts, 08/27/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Anthony, 08/27/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision,
Gregor Hagedorn, 08/28/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Andrew Rens, 08/29/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision,
Anthony, 08/29/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision,
Andrew Rens, 08/29/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Gregor Hagedorn, 08/29/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision,
Anthony, 08/29/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision, Andrew Rens, 08/30/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] The termination provision,
Andrew Rens, 08/29/2012
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