Development of Creative Commons licenses

[Per Corell <per.corell AT privat.dk>]

Hi

I am a designer who develob building methods. There maybe 3 to each 
succesfull invention maby it is _not_ important 2005 to develob new tools, do 
the roundup with the old brave 2D skills , maby it is a bad idea to be able 
to offer housing a third the cost ,with digital means doing earthquake safe 
structures -- maby the world acturly _need_ another 20 years of nothing 
,expanding the fiddeling refine the methods that make the best crap, maby the 
world  don't need new way's to put things together , --- it cirtainly don't 
pay trying to develob new perceptions or design when architectural 
applications just do it the old way's, just rewritten into fast safe code.
I develob new building methods and project architecture down millimeter and 
point to a promising new tool Im'e not bothered by the forms of it, the 
clotches panels or color, I make the structure for it to even stay in the air 
carry four times the load offering build in flexibility providing a structure 
that can't be destroyed, 3D-H it is called 3D-Honeycomb look for that it even 
work with 8 bits . 1903 ,1932 ,1945 or 2005 there are no difference ; the 
artists was thought to be lazy daydreamers ,me I realy need to apriciate my 
charm for arts , it never, never, never payed , it allway's costed costed 
costed, still it brought some nice designs ,even I am no architect Im'e a 
designer I do building methods remember.
These day's I strugle with a stone age pen plotter I had for a decade only to 
do some nice renderings, my pen are a fast modern computer with a nice screen 
and a CAD program, Then emagine a buildinjavascript:preValidate('sendmail');
Sendg method that will make you a cabin at a third the cost. My renderings 
are all over the web the web is where I can promote my skills my method a new 
architecture based on even cheaper manufactoring, by a variaty of different 
sheet materials , but yes ; you will have no use for special steel fitttings 
to Bang bad wooden pins together with way to many nails . Gee I spended 12 
years just with this method the years ahead was just building the skills --- 
look I did build the actural wooden boats I used as testbench for develobing 
design tools in general, even then it never was any well payed "job" to be 
challancing the old methods, 1903 or 2005 no difference ,nomatter how good it 
is someone soon try steal it allway's an academic .
Now this mail are here in Dk. allready read thru, by 20 states emploied cross 
evalueated by aware policemen yes, in dennemark you pay knowing that 
everything, just everything you either say or could intend to percept will 
keep you and all your real friends locked up atleast two months. --- wonder 
what designers was fighting 1933 proberly some of the same stupid rigrid 
reactions will not spread to your contry , gee we need a better world ;
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/h-3d/
Building method being the vision for documented 12 years just on that project 
,art's and crafts ofcaurse that can survive even in digital ;

http://home20.inet.tele.dk/h-3d/



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>    2. Re:  Use of (BY-NC-ND) pictures on a blog with ads.
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>    3. Re:  Use of (BY-NC-ND) pictures on a blog with ads.
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> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:46:56 +0100
> From: Ivan Castell <ivancastell AT gmail.com>
> Subject: [cc-licenses] Use of (BY-NC-ND) pictures on a blog
> with ads.
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> Hi,
> 
> This is my first post here, so please excuse me if I this
> question has
> already been posted.
> 
> I have a blog under a CC licence (BY-NC-ND) and I often use
> CC licenced
> pictures on it to ilustrate some posts, always respecting
> the item licence.
> I don't have ads on my blog, but if I put i.e. Ads by
> Google, this could be
> considered as commercial use and I assume I couldn't use the
> NC licenced
> pictures any more. Am I right or this kind of remuneration
> (Ads) isn't
> considered as commercial use of this items? I mean the
> non-commercial use of
> this pictures (as I could consider sell them as a pure
> commercial use) is
> only for these pictures or for the blog containing them?
> 
> I hope I'm being clear, because it's a little tricky for me
> ;)
> 
> I'll appretiate any opinion about it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Ivan Castell
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> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:23:23 +0000
> From: Daniel Carrera <daniel.carrera AT zmsl.com>
> Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Use of (BY-NC-ND) pictures on a
> blog with
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> Ivan Castell wrote:
> 
> > Am I right or this kind of 
> > remuneration (Ads) isn't considered as commercial use of
> this items?
> 
> If I posted something under an NC license and you used it to
> draw people 
> to your site and get money from Ads I would get upset and I
> would 
> consider it a violation of the license.
> 
> Of course, I am not a lawyer. I'll check what the license
> says later. 
> This is just my gut feeling right now.
> 
> Personally I'm not a great fan of the NC licenses. Some
> times they're 
> OK, but over all I prefer the SA license. The one license I
> really don't 
> like is ND. And of course, the wrost is NC-ND. I feel that
> this license 
> misses half the point of a commons.
> 
> Personally I use BY-SA for my work and in a few cases BY
> only.
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
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> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:39:23 +0100
> From: Ivan Castell <ivancastell AT gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Use of (BY-NC-ND) pictures on a
> blog with
>       ads.
> To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts
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> 2005/11/3, Daniel Carrera <daniel.carrera AT zmsl.com>:
> 
> If I posted something under an NC license and you used it to
> draw people
> > to your site and get money from Ads I would get upset and
> I would
> > consider it a violation of the license.
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot for the input Daniel.
> 
> That's also my point of view. But as I'm not 100% sure about
> it, that's the
> reason I don't put any Ads on my site (if I'm pro CC
> licences, I'm the first
> one that should respect it). But I've seen that a lot of
> CC/Copyleft related
> blogs, use this kind of licenced pictures (BY-NC-ND) and
> they also have Ads,
> and that puts an ethical issue on me, wondering the legal or
> ethical aspect
> of this practice.
> 
> I.e. I'll not mind if someone use some of my pics under a
> by-nc-nd (or sa)
> licence under a blog with some ads, but if this person sell
> this picture,
> then I'll be upset and I'll consider it as a violation of
> the licence. But
> this is a personal opinion and I'll really like to hear some
> legal advice
> about it.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Ivan
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> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:24:47 -0500
> From: "Berkowitz, Daniel J" <djbrky AT bu.edu>
> Subject: [cc-licenses] CC license for eMail / listserv
> posts?
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> A topic has appeared on a professional listserv I subscribe
> to regarding
> a publisher seeking permission to use list-posts and items
> form the list
> archives for a book they are creating. Is there a version of
> CC
> licensing that can cover listservs? How about individual
> posts?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any guidance. 
> 
> --Dann
> http://bloggertation.blogspot.com/
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