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  • From: toddd AT mypse.goracer.de
  • To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: Why do you have to chose the "Attribution" option with the new CC 2.0 Licenses?
  • Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:50:07 +0200


> There are also, exactly as you suggest, advantages to having many different
> licenses. Picking the actual number and set to offer is a balancing
> act. The extremely strong public preference for licenses with attribution
> was an indication that the balance between flexibility and simplicity might
> be better served by standardizing on attribution and letting the main
> variation among licenses be on the sorts of uses people could make, rather
> than on the required credit.

But why do you want to sacrife the wishes of 3% of the artists who did not
chose
attribution?
The more in complexicity would only apply to 3% of the cases so that should
not
be a problem.

Why can't you just bring "Attribution as an option" back? I've seen on the
Mailing list that some others also want to have it back. What's so evil about
"Attribution as an option"?


>
> >Or is it that all the waiving makes things more complicated?
>
> That's definitely the case: at some point, if you simplify too much,
> people's desires for more nuanced terms lead them to start trying to evade
> the license standardizations, which leads you back towards the licensing
> complexity that CC is trying to help fix.

So if waiving makes it more complex, why not just bring back attribtution as
an
option?

> Just to be pedantic, the requirements of the license are distinct from the
> rules of copyright law. If I say that I wrote Macbeth, copyright law
> doesn't directly forbid it (of course, I couldn't copyright Macbeth
> myself). Nor is there any license involved that I might be violating. If
> I take your CC-BY-licensed work and say that I wrote it, then I'm violating
> the license: specifically, I'm failing to give you the required attribution.

I was talking about the SA 1.0 license. Explicitely not "BY".
You are still not to claim it your own even if attribution was not required.
You
could only strip my name and that's it. Because otherwise you would violate
copyright law.
Btw: You can say you wrote Macbeth because because Macbeth is Public Domain.
But
are not allowed to say you wrote "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica.



-Toddd






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