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[Jerry~Yuyu <jerry.tschan.yu AT gmail.com>]

As expected there's a wikipedian meet-up may be on coming weekends, this week or next week

as one wikipedian is trying to book a venue in CUHK

I wonder if any of you can give him a hand, however

if we have a place to discuss this issue, it's good for our action anyway :p

Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
Jerry~雨雨
User:Yuyu
http://jeromyu.info
MSN: jeromyuchan AT msn.com

Deputy President
Wikimedia Hong Kong
http://www.wikimedia.hk
yuyu AT wikimedia.hk

Tel: +852 9279 1601
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2008/12/16 Oiwan Lam <oiwan.lam AT gmail.com>

sorry for being slow in picking up this.

the issue has been reported in some local newspaper, if wikipedia continues to pursue and make it a legal case, even if cchk is not taking legal support as our work, i think we need to show some support to the person, and make it a public education.

i think it would be a PR disaster if whenever disputes happen we said, sorry you need to deal with it yourself. i would suggest at least we have a kind of statement to educate people to respect the license we are promoting.

of course, this case is a bit complicated as the mtr might said that wiki shouldn't claim the license in the first place... then it would be another story: as the mtr does encourage netizens to play their road map - and they don't have a cc license statement. which means, it would be a PR disaster for them - they contradict their copyright policy with their promotion practice!

there are some discussion at inmediahk.net about this.

oiwan

2008/12/15 Haggen So <haggenso AT gmail.com>

Sorry with no updates, I have replied his second letter and he thanked Charles and Zunix for the contributions in discussion.

Though we cannot provide legal advice, I will discuss with him and see if there are anything that CCHK can help.

Haggen

2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok AT gmail.com>

That's great!  In good hands...

2008/12/10 Haggen So <haggenso AT gmail.com>

I will make a reply, but incidentally, I will meet with Yuyu tonight because he needed to do a mock interview for his studies.  We will come up with a co-ordinated response.

Haggen

2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok AT gmail.com>

In any case we should make a courtesy reply to him, i think.

2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling AT gmail.com>

Yea, Software Freedom Law Center is quite famous with lot of heavy weigh
person to hold it.I also remember what has been done by public patent
that open source our fat32 patient registration. There are helpful.

Regards,

zunix

Haggen So 提到:

> Zunix,
>
> Yes, The short version of the disclaimer in CCHK licences stated:
>
> Creative Commons is not a law firm and does not provide legal
> services. Distributing of, displaying of, or linking to this Commons
> Deed does not create an attorney-client relationship.
>
> Creative Commons不是法律事務所，亦不提供法律服務。分發、展示或連結到授
> 權標章並不產生律師和客戶的關係。
>
> So technically we don't really have any responsibilities. It is,
> however, possible for us to actively discuss the issue (e.g. put an
> article up in our official site) and recommend legal services if we
> can find some friendly allies.
>
> On the other hand, dual licensing may not be a total bad news. The
> organisation responsible for GFDL is FSF (Free Software Foundation).
> They have recently found the Software Freedom Law Center
> (http://www.softwarefreedom.org/), and this center will give legal
> assistance.
>
> Haggen
>
> P.S. I did receive the same email in the CCHK account, just haven't
> got time to deal with it. Sorry.
>

> 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling AT gmail.com <mailto:zunix.ling AT gmail.com>>

>
>     Does not want to comment too much on license matter, but as Charles
>     point out. And I have to say, the dual-licensing in this case seem
>     complicated by itself to enforce due to costing and legal foundation.
>     There are many issues. I think CCHK organization just like a
>     certification or standard holder. Administration and enforcement
>     is not
>     under it's scope. am I right?
>
>     Regards,
>
>     zunix
>
>     Charles Mok 提到:
>     > I think we should be very careful about the claim. CCHK being
>     not even
>     > an organization may not be in the right position to do much beyond
>     > facilitating the license. It should be up to the claimant to
>     take his
>     > own action. At this stage, I do not see that CCHK should take side.
>     > Plus, the license was is used is not CCHK license but another
>     version.
>     >
>     > Others pls comment....
>     >
>     > 2008/12/10 Jack Qiu <jacklqiu AT gmail.com

>     <mailto:jacklqiu AT gmail.com> <mailto:jacklqiu AT gmail.com

>     <mailto:jacklqiu AT gmail.com>>>
>     >
>     > This can probably be a good opportunity for public education. I
>     > will, and think all CCHK members should, give this Xavier all our
>     > support. That is, of course, if there is enough evidence to
>     > establish the case and we have good confidence that we can nail
>     > down City Bank.
>     >
>     > Can some members of our legal team give some advice? I'd also like
>     > to hear from Rebecca, Charles, Pindar and everyone.
>     >
>     > jack
>     >
>     > 2008/12/9 Jerry~Yuyu <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>
>     > <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>     <http://gmail.com>>
>     >
>     > Halo all
>     >
>     > We found the message that ask for our help
>     > in our spam folder, unfortunately
>     >
>     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     > From: *Xavier Fung* <xavier114fch AT gmail.com
>     <mailto:xavier114fch AT gmail.com>

>     > <mailto:xavier114fch AT gmail.com <mailto:xavier114fch AT gmail.com>>>
>     > Date: 2008/12/8
>     > Subject: 有關圖片侵權之協助
>     > To: wikimedia.hong.kong AT gmail.com
>     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong AT gmail.com>
>     > <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong AT gmail.com
>     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong AT gmail.com>>
>     >
>     >
>     > 香港維基媒體協會負責人台鑒：
>     >
>     > 本人為中文維基百科的用戶（名字：Xavier114fch）。早前發現本人創
>     > 作的「港鐵未來路線圖」（http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:
>     > FutureMTRNetworkAfterMerger.png）被花旗銀行（香港）用以宣傳其
>     > 八達通信用卡之廣告上。由於本人使用了GFDL及CC的版權條款發佈上述
>     > 圖片，而該廣告並沒有依從條款的內容發佈，屬侵犯版權之行為。故電
>     > 郵　貴會，望能得到協助處理是次事件。
>     >
>     > 本人經翻查後，發現該廣告曾於《都市日報》、《頭條日報》及《AM730》
>     > （http:
>     //www.am730.com.hk/old_issue/issue/2008/200812/20081204/default1.html?
>     > startpage=）上刊載過，廣告上的路線圖只顯示本人創作圖片之中心部
>     > 分，並把所有站名去除並冠以「免費」字樣，路線圖上陸地部份被換成
>     > 灰色，並在圖的左上角加上「交通收費一覽」的字樣。顯然該廣告圖片
>     > 是以本人的創作修改，但沒有跟從共享創意（Creative Commons）「姓
>     > 名標示-相同方式分享」（CC-by-sa）授權條款（http:
>     > //creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.zh_TW
>     <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.zh_TW>），標示本
>     > 人的名字及以相容的授權條款發佈，是侵犯了本人的版權。
>     >
>     > 素聞　貴會代表香港的維基人，並以推動自由創作為宗旨。本人希望得
>     > 到　貴會的協助，以便向花旗銀行一方作出交涉，並以此機會正視抄襲
>     > 維基百科∕以自由版權發佈內容之不良風氣。望能得到　貴會回覆。如
>     > 貴會欲和本人聯絡，請以電郵（xavier114fch AT gmail.com
>     <mailto:xavier114fch AT gmail.com>

>     > <mailto:xavier114fch AT gmail.com <mailto:

>     xavier114fch AT gmail.com>>）、維基用戶頁（User:
>     > Xavier114fch）或電話（6028 9641，晚六時後）通知。
>     >
>     > 謹祝
>     > 台安
>     >
>     > Xavier Fung
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>     > the local chapter of Wikimedia in HKSAR
>     > http://wikimediahk.org <http://wikimediahk.org/>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>     > Jerry~雨雨
>     > User:Yuyu
>     > http://jeromyu.info
>     > MSN: jeromyuchan AT msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan AT msn.com>

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>     >
>     > Deputy President
>     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
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>     >
>     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 23:19, Charles Mok
>     > <charlespmok AT gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>

>     <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Somehow I cannot go to the link below....very slow...
>     >
>     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Jerry~Yuyu
>     > <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>

>     <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>

>     > <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Halo all
>     >
>     > As my fellow Chapter broad member discovered
>     >
>     > a Local Chinese wikipedian had stated on his user
>     > page, claiming that his CC-licensed MTR maps being
>     > trotted by Citibank's Advertisements
>     >
>     > More details can be found on this page on zh.wikipedia
>     >
>     >
>     http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xavier114fch/%E4%BB%A5CC%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE%E7%99%BC%E4%BD%88%E7%9A%84%E8%B7%AF%E7%B7%9A%E5%9C%96%E8%A2%AB%E5%BB%A3%E5%91%8A%E6%8C%AA%E7%94%A8
>     >
>     > On the page, the user stated that he had sent e-mails
>     > to WMHK & CCHK. We had not receive such e-mail at the
>     > moment, and I wonder if his mail had reached CCHK.
>     >
>     > As the user is not a registered member of our chapter,
>     > so most of our broad member intend to handle this
>     > matter personally at this moment, unless this user
>     > identify himself via register as a chapter member.
>     >
>     > I wonder if any of you had any idea to help him in
>     > this stage
>     >
>     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>     > Jerry~雨雨
>     > User:Yuyu
>     > http://jeromyu.info
>     > MSN: jeromyuchan AT msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan AT msn.com>

>     <mailto:jeromyuchan AT msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan AT msn.com>>

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