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[lwong <lwong AT cityu.edu.hk>]

Hi Kenneth,

 

Thank you for the introduction. 

 

Hi everyone,

I 've just join your list after meeting Kenneth.  I think this is a great way for the 'ordinary man' to share creativity without too much constraints.  I am sure we will be able to work together to move this along for HK.

 

Regards,

 

Rebecca

----- Original Message -----
From: Yip Kai Kut Kenneth <kenneth AT astri.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:23 pm
Subject: FW: [Cc-hk] HKU Copyright seminar video
To: lwong AT cityu.edu.hk

Hi Rebecca,

 

It was very nice meeting you yesterday.  Not sure if you have subscribed to the email list.  Here is the email chain on the last few posts.

 

Thanks

 

Kenneth

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Eldred [mailto:ericeldred AT gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:11 PM
To: Yip Kai Kut Kenneth
Cc: catharina AT creativecommons.org; cc-hk AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Cc-hk] HKU Copyright seminar video

 

Catharina (from CC International, Berlin) will respond to this, and correct me if I am wrong, but that is correct, the CC process is to first find a project lead who is a respected legal scholar in a local institution.  That person signs a memorandum of understanding with CCI and there should then be a first draft of the legal translation.  A team will then be formed to do the translation and porting drafts (adaptation to the local laws), set up meetings and web site, and so on.  CC-HK should include users and technical people as well as lawyers, and pro bono legal help from local law firms is appreciated at that point.

So it sounds as if Professor Li will agree to join as project lead and discuss this with Catharina?  The project could then move forward on her timetable, considering her other current responsibilities.  But if she does not agree to the contract, then we must find another project lead to begin.  In any case, we should not do any of this ourselves, but Catharina will take the lead, and then it will be the job of the project lead with CCI.

In the meantime, as Jon suggested, it is possible for HK users to use the generic 3.0 CC licenses from http://www.creativecommons.org.  These are not the US licenses (which are now ported from these generic licenses) any more, but they are in English.

The work about the Copyright Initiative in HK should also go forward without considering CC; it is a motive for creating CC in HK, but CC should be done no matter whatever government action.

Bear in mind there is also a parallel group called iCommons, which has a summit meeting
in Dubrovnik, Croatia, June 15-17--see the CC web page for links--and it would be good if
representatives from HK as well as other places could confer there to discuss many common problems and solutions.

After the licenses are ported and published and launched, CC-HK will continue as an organization with many concerns such as sponsoring salons, dealing with collecting socities, listening to user needs, and so on.

If there is a problem with funding CC-HK activities, please let me know privately. And if you need help raising money from rich people in HK, for example to fund iCommons scholarships, I would be glad to help.

The actual launch of the licenses in about six months is a great celebration--I look forward
to that, but I will try to come down to HK from Shanghai this summer to meet all of you first. You show real enthusiasm and team spirit and this is all a great pleasure to me as a co-founder of Creative Commons, now living in China.

=ericeldred

On 5/8/07, Yip Kai Kut Kenneth <kenneth AT astri.org> wrote:

Hi All,

 

Yesterday, I had lunch with Ms. Rebecca Ong, a Teaching Fellow of City University and specialize in IP law.  Rebecca expressed her interests to help.  This is a great news to would be HK-CC.  We have law faculty members from both HKU (Yahong) and City U (Rebecca Ong), as well as support from HKU journalism dept (Rebecca MacKinnon) and UST technology transfer centre (Matthew).  It is a very good start.

 

During the lunch, we both are not sure about the duties the institution has to perform other than coordinating the effort to adapt the CC licenses for HK use.  For example, should the institution be responsible to maintain a web page?  This could help estimating the cost and logistics effort.  Could Catharina help us on this question?

 

Below is something I have in mind about the schedule (ref: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Worldwide_Overview) :

 

1. Create drafts for the six Ver 3.0 Licenses (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ ) for HK use.  This effort will be championed by the institution, and supported by other academics and anyone who are willing to help.  I will not count on private sector lawyers on this stage unless they are volunteering their valuable time.

 

2. Solicit comments for the drafts.  We will seek private sector lawyers' help, may be even help from DOJ and IPD.

 

3. Repeat (1) and (2).

 

4. Send the drafts to Creative Commons for review.

 

5. Translate the drafts into Chinese.

 

We may want to swap the sequence of step 4 and 5 if necessary.  What does everyone think?

 

I will also like to propose to have a face-to-face meeting soon.  I bet the ideal place would be a classroom in HKU, City U or UST.

 

Let's kick start HK-CC ASAP!

 

Kenneth

 

Senior Manager
Intellectual Property Department
Phone: +852 3406 2824
Fax: +852 3406 2801
Email: kenneth AT astri.org

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: cc-hk-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto: cc-hk-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Li Yahong
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Rebecca MacKinnon; uta lam
Cc: cc-hk AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Cc-hk] HKU Copyright seminar video

 

We (Jon, Prof. Yuen's team and I) had a meeting back in early 2006, but not recently.  No translation has started.  I am fully engaged in this May and June, and will be available for meeting, if there is one, only in July and August. 

 

Yahong

----- Original Message -----

From: Rebecca MacKinnon

To: uta lam

Cc: cc-hk AT lists.ibiblio.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Cc-hk] HKU Copyright seminar video

 

Has there been a HK-CC meeting?

 

On 8 May 2007, at 1:10 PM, uta lam wrote:

 

Dear all,

 

It would be cool if a law firm can help. And it definitely can speed the whole process. Or have Ms. Yahong Li and Prof. Matthew Yuen already started the translation already?

 

As I was not in the last meeting, not sure sure if we have formed a team already for the HK-CC?

 

And if we needed to ask the help from a law firm, what would be the arrangement of the fee? What about the timeline? Maybe you guys have already discussed these issue. Just would like to know more.  

 

Thanks,

Uta

 

On 5/8/07, Matthew MF Yuen < meymf AT ust.hk> wrote:

Dear Rebecca,

I can recommend a law firm if needed as work with a number of them on IP.

Regards,

Matthew

Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:

Not yet. We need to find a Hong Kong law firm to help us. On May 7, 2007, at 11:46 PM, uta lam wrote:

Hi Rebecaa,�Thank you for sharing. By the way, is that we have already got�legal people to help�translating the HK-CC document already?�Regards,Uta

�On 5/7/07, Rebecca MacKinnon <rebecca.mackinnon AT mac.com > wrote:

  Hello everybody, as promised, here is the video of the seminar at JMSC at which Charles Mok and Peter Yu discussed the proposed copyright law reforms in Hong Kong.  
�http://jmscvideo1.podOmatic.com/entry/2007-05-03T02_28_48-07_00  
� 
� For those who just joined the list, you can click below to get a copy of Peter Yu's position paper, commissioned by the JMSC: http://jmsc.hku.hk/cms/content/view/240/1/  
� Cheers, Rebecca
 
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