Creative Commons France

[Patrick Peiffer <peiffer.patrick AT gmail.com>]

Dear all,

maybe useful input for a reaction to the french licence: CC and iCommons submitted a joint response to the Making Open Data Real public consultation in the UK this week, tackling some of the problems of the UK gov licence.

(not confidential)

via Sarah Hinchliff Pearson (cc)

cheers,
patrick peiffer

cc.luxembourg

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Prodromos Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

Apologies for the long email that follows :)

Compatibility is a classic problem with OGL-like licences...if OGL FR works like the UK OGL, it effectively means you may relicense the work (information) under CCBY. In a nonSA licence, interoperability or compatibility effectively means only relicensing (or attribution of the original in the case a derivative is created and disseminated).

The French OGL licence, as I read it, is more problematic than the UK one, as it does not differentiate between original and non-original databases and hence allows forking. For instance:

- the French government licenses a non original geo-database under OGL FR
- Bob takes the OGL FR non original database and relicenses it under CCBY (he attributes the French Gov)
- Ted takes the CCBY non origjnal database and releases it as "Ted's cool geobase". He does not attribute the French Gov and he is -if it is version 3.0- fully entitled to do so, since the db right has been waived with Bob's CCBY relicensing.

What should the French government be asked re compatibility is
(a) whether they allow relicensing
and if yes,
(b) if they differentiate between databases and other categories of copyrighted works.

Even if they make such differentiation (databases vis a vis other types of works), relicensing allows only one way compatibility and the problem persists, though not in the form of parallel distributions of the same db with different conditions attached as under the current  OGL FR wording...

In practice, as there is no SA, the problem is not as bad as it could otherwise be, but the term compatibility is neither entirely correct nor clear.

I m under the impression that the author of the OGL FR licence tried to solve the problem by making the OGL FR compatible only with CC BY 2.0 which has no db wording, even in EU countries. However, as Melanie could explain much better than I, since she has written on this issue, National CC 2.0 and 2.5 licences are less constistent than national CC 3.0 ones. I am not sure whether some of them assert and some others waive the db right.

However, even this strategy won't save OGL FR, as it is compatible also with the OGL UK makes reference to "any CC Attribution licence" and thus in the previous example:
- the French government licenses a non original geo-database under OGL FR
- Bob takes the OGL FR non original database and relicenses it under CCBY 2.0 (he attributes the French Gov)
- Ted takes the OGL FR non original database and relicenses it under OGL UK (he attributes the French Gov)
- Carol takes the OGL UK non origjnal database and releases it under a CCBY 3.0 (he attributes the French Gov)
- Alice takes CCBY 3.0 non original database and releases it as "Alice's cool geobase".

Compatibility with OGL UK makes sense in order not to fragment the commons, but brings us back to square one. The only viable solution is adoption of a CC licence...

These from someone who is struggling with the OGL licences for over two years now...

best,
pRo

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, melanie dulong <melanie.ddr AT gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

The French government license for open data is available at http://ddata.over-blog.com/xxxyyy/4/37/99/26/licence/Licence-Ouverte-Open-Licence-ENG.pdf

It is a 1.0 version, but at the same time it is open for comments during a public discussion phase. I asked what they mean by "compatibility" with CC BY, OGL and ODC-BY licenses. They only require attribution, there is no further SA or license notice provision.

Best,

Melanie

---------- Message transféré ----------
De : SAINT-AUBIN Thomas <Thomas.Saint-Aubin AT justice.gouv.fr>
Date : 18 octobre 2011 11:59
Objet : [cc-fr] Publication de la V 1.0 de la licence ''data.gouv.fr''
À : juriconnexion AT yahoogroupes.fr, cc-fr AT lists.ibiblio.org

Bonjour,

Suite aux travaux du groupe de travail, la V 1 de la licence ouverte  data.gouv est en ligne :

 

http://www.etalab.gouv.fr/pages/licence-ouverte-open-licence-5899923.html

 

La phase de concertation publique est désormais ouverte.

 

A noter la clause de compatibilité expresse de cette licence avec :

 

§          Open Government Licence » (OGL) du Royaume-Uni,

§          CC-By 2.0  « Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 »

§          « Open Data Commons Attribution » (ODC-BY) de l’Open Knowledge Foundation ‘’

 

 

Cordialement,

 

TSA

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