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  • From: "J.C. De Martin" <demartin AT polito.it>
  • To: Prodromos Tsiavos <p.tsiavos AT lse.ac.uk>, cc-europe AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-europe] Fwd: Creative Commons International - letter from the jurisdiction project leads
  • Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:10:26 +0200

Thanks a lot, pRo, very useful!

A general comment regarding potential new organizational structures.
Structures, as you know, have a tendency to become ends rather than means.
They also are inextricably laced with power issues.

We should therefore first ask ourselves if we really need
new structures, and if we reply positively,
then aim at keeping them as lightweight
and as flexible as possible.

As far as I am concerned, prompt notification and
Internet-based polling/consultation of project leads
regarding important CC decisions would completely
satisfy my need for more involvement and synchronization.

again, sorry not to be able to discuss with you
in person later today!

best,

juan carlos
(from the airport)






Prodromos Tsiavos wrote:
Thanks for the comment Juan Carlos!

I have added some extra documents (the iSummit governance proposal and the CCHQ response to the letter) and a compilation of all comments received before today's meeting on the CC Europe wiki. Please have a look and feel free to amend/ add to the compilation (http://cc-europe.jottit.com/responses_on_issues_of_transparency%2C_governance_and_communication_in_the_creative_commons) [password: vilnius].

Those of you that cannot attend may thus have an accurate picture of where the discussion has been before the meeting and compare it with the meeting's resolutions that I will post once I m back in London.

Best wishes,
pRo

----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. De Martin" <demartin AT polito.it>
To: <cc-europe AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Cc-europe] Fwd: Creative Commons International - letter from the jurisdiction project leads


Dear All,

Since I won't be able to attend the CC Europe meeting on Sunday,
a couple of comments for you to ponder, if you wish.

I find the reply quite constructive, with several interesting leads to
explore.

I did not particularly like, though, this specific passage:

"Part of the answer will come from increased staff attention to making sure
that network consultation and notification is routine on important matters.
That we are committed to, _within the constraints imposed by manageability,
fundraising and time-pressure_." (emphasis added).

I'd rather prefer, in fact, that consultation and notification had the same
status as any other major CC HQ activities, not just something that it is
performed only if time allows.

Best, see you in Louvain!

juan carlos
(from canada)





Paul Keller wrote:
Dear all,

most of you will have seen this, but there are a couple of people who
are on this list and who are not in the cc of the response to the
letter. looks to me that our letter has come at the right moment and i
guess this will give us lots to discuss on sunday at the meeting. i
would furthermore suggest that we use this list to discuss about the
letter among us and the cci list to reply to their response 'in public'

all the best & looking forward to see most of you in louvain,
paul

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *"James Boyle" <boyle AT law.duke.edu <mailto:boyle AT law.duke.edu>>
*Date: *27 June 2008 03:17:50 GMT+02:00
*To: *"Paul Keller" <pk AT kl.nl <mailto:pk AT kl.nl>>,"Joichi Ito"
<jito AT neoteny.com <mailto:jito AT neoteny.com>>
*Cc: *"Lawrence Liang" <lawrence AT altlawforum.org
<mailto:lawrence AT altlawforum.org>>, "Bodo Balzas" <bodo AT axelero.hu
<mailto:bodo AT axelero.hu>>, "Ariel Vercelli"
<avercelli AT bienescomunes.org <mailto:avercelli AT bienescomunes.org>>,
"Patrick Peiffer" <Patrick.Peiffer AT bnl.etat.lu
<mailto:Patrick.Peiffer AT bnl.etat.lu>>, <iwillbe AT chol.com
<mailto:iwillbe AT chol.com>>,<cwang AT cn.creativecommons.org
<mailto:cwang AT cn.creativecommons.org>>, "Marcus Bornfreund"
<marcus AT creativecommons.ca <mailto:marcus AT creativecommons.ca>>,
<ahrash AT creativecommons.org <mailto:ahrash AT creativecommons.org>>,
"Catharina Maracke" <catharina AT creativecommons.org
<mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org>>, "Mike Linksvayer"
<ml AT creativecommons.org <mailto:ml AT creativecommons.org>>, "Melanie
Dulong de Rosnay" <mdulong AT cyber.law.harvard.edu
<mailto:mdulong AT cyber.law.harvard.edu>>, "Francois Dechelle"
<francois AT dechelle.net <mailto:francois AT dechelle.net>>,
<claudio AT derechosdigitales.org
<mailto:claudio AT derechosdigitales.org>>, "Pedro Olivera"
<poliveira AT fcee.ucp.pt <mailto:poliveira AT fcee.ucp.pt>>, "Ronaldo
Lemos" <rlemos AT fgv.br <mailto:rlemos AT fgv.br>>, "Severine Dusollier"
<severine.dusollier AT fundp.ac.be
<mailto:severine.dusollier AT fundp.ac.be>>, "Andrew Rens"
<andrewrens AT gmail.com <mailto:andrewrens AT gmail.com>>, "carolina
botero" <carobotero AT gmail.com <mailto:carobotero AT gmail.com>>, "Maja
Lubarda" <maja.lubarda AT gmail.com <mailto:maja.lubarda AT gmail.com>>,
"Henrik Moltke" <moltke AT gmail.com <mailto:moltke AT gmail.com>>,
<renata.avila.pinto AT gmail.com <mailto:renata.avila.pinto AT gmail.com>>,
"Herkko Hietanen" <herkko.hietanen AT hiit.fi
<mailto:herkko.hietanen AT hiit.fi>>, "Jimmy N. Soriano"
<jns AT i-manila.com.ph <mailto:jns AT i-manila.com.ph>>, "Alek Tarkowski"
<a.tarkowski AT icm.edu.pl <mailto:a.tarkowski AT icm.edu.pl>>, "Gisle
Hannemyr" <gisle AT ifi.uio.no <mailto:gisle AT ifi.uio.no>>, "Shishir K.
Jha" <skjha AT iitb.ac.in <mailto:skjha AT iitb.ac.in>>, "Mathias Klang"
<klang AT ituniv.se <mailto:klang AT ituniv.se>>, "Bogdan Manolea"
<bogdan AT legi-internet.ro <mailto:bogdan AT legi-internet.ro>>,
"Prodromos Tsiavos" <p.tsiavos AT lse.ac.uk
<mailto:p.tsiavos AT lse.ac.uk>>, "Marinos Papadopoulos"
<marinos AT marinos.com.gr <mailto:marinos AT marinos.com.gr>>, "Tomislav
Medak" <tom AT mi2.hr <mailto:tom AT mi2.hr>>, "John Hendrik Weitzmann"
<jhweitzmann AT mx.uni-saarland.de
<mailto:jhweitzmann AT mx.uni-saarland.de>>, "Sanna Marttila"
<sanna.marttila AT taik.fi <mailto:sanna.marttila AT taik.fi>>, "Ignasi
Labastida" <ilabastida AT ub.edu <mailto:ilabastida AT ub.edu>>, "Veni
Markovski" <veni AT veni.com <mailto:veni AT veni.com>>, "Florian
Philapitsch" <florian.philapitsch AT wu-wien.ac.at
<mailto:florian.philapitsch AT wu-wien.ac.at>>, "Nena Antic"
<advocat_studio AT yahoo.com <mailto:advocat_studio AT yahoo.com>>
*Subject: **Re: Creative Commons International - letter from the
jurisdiction project leads*

Dear all -- Joi and I promised a more thorough response. It is
attached -- and included as text below. We view this as merely the
start of a conversation -- we'd love to hear your thoughts.
Warm regards, Jamie and Joi
__

Dear Colleagues, At our most recent board meeting - June 19-20 - we
presented your letter to the CC board. The reaction to your
suggestions was entirely positive. The board already had on the
agenda a discussion of ways to increase both the focus on CC's
international network and to improve our strategic planning and
intra-CC communication. Your letter fit nicely into both and there
was board consensus around the following points.

*1.) We want better information flow internationally, more
transparent decision making processes, and a greater attempt to get
input from our global network on key decisions facing CC. * We don't
see one simple solution however. On large policy shifts or new
initiatives the answer is clear, but as one tries to get more
responsive beyond that there are real difficulties of implementation
in terms of staff time, speed of response and so on. Part of the
answer will come from increased staff attention to making sure that
network consultation and notification is routine on important
matters. That we are committed to, within the constraints imposed by
manageability, fundraising and time-pressure. We would like your
feedback as our attempts move forward. (Obviously Catharina has
worked really hard on this already. She deserves our thanks. Some of
you have also mentioned as good beginnings Mike Linksvayer's recent
work, for example, or the kinds of discussions that happened at the
iSummit's around moral rights or database rights.) We try to use
electronic tools as best we can. But clearly things could improve
further. We want to make the board more geographically diverse (right
now the only non American citizens are Joi and me) a task that is
complicated by a pressing need to recruit board members who have
considerable financial resources as part of CC's attempt to build
towards permanent sustainability. The ones who have resources and are
interested in CC have tended disproportionately to come from the US –
just as almost all of our funding comes from the US. But of course,
managed the right way, increasing diversity could help solve that
problem.
What is the bottom line? I think you will find in the future that Joi
and I will more frequently reach out to you collectively and
individually for your advice. In the long run, I'd like to have the
Chair or CEO send out a brief six monthly report on strategic goals
to the country leads for them to comment on and make suggestions.
Right now Joi and I are running as fast as we can just to fundraise
and manage the transition as Larry moves back to the board. We
certainly want to make sure that major initiatives or themes are both
run by the network first and then communicated to you in the final
form before anyone in the public sees them. We will do our best to
make it easy for jurisdictions to do planning and fundraising around
those themes. But we do not have some grand structure that would
solve the problem at a stroke - more like a commitment to a
continuing process. This leads to the second point...

*2.) We want more focus on our global network - and in ways that go
beyond license porting: * As an organization, our network
coordination has often flowed well out of the pursuit of particular
tasks - for example, porting the licenses. The result has been a
network with far greater capabilities than porting alone. We should
probably learn from that experience. The board would like to start a
conversation with the CCi network and in particular with the
jurisdiction leads about projects beyond porting that could be
pursued globally or regionally - serving the public interest and
helping to raise money internationally by making greater use of the
fabulous network of professionals that we already have. Here are two
examples of such projects that have come up recently - one from
within ccLearn and the other more general. We use them only as
illustrations; you might have other ones to suggest and we are sure
you would have useful tweaks to these thought experiments.

** Explaining copyright and open licensing to educators: There has
been considerable interest in explaining copyright, its limitations
and exceptions and the ideas of open licensing to educators and
students - groups who have particular need for the information.
Misinformation abounds, the existing resources are dense and hard to
understand, and have frequent national or regional gaps. If funding
could be procured to support it, might groups within the CCi network
be interested in producing materials explaining those issues for each
country in the network? We might start with some pilot projects,
collaboratively producing high quality research, developing some
designs and improving human readability - good graphics, interactive
tools, high production values - and then getting other countries in
the network to "port" the materials into their own legal system -
something which would require considerable research and adjustment
and might generate interesting research and publication opportunities
for those who were interested.

** Developing tools for identifying, marking and tagging the public
domain: The rules about what materials are in the public domain -
indeed the very existence of the idea of the public domain - vary
widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, often raising a big barrier
for librarians and archivists, but also for citizens. Might CCi
jurisdictions be interested in beginning an international effort to
explain the rules about when works pass into the public domain, and
even to provide templates that would allow volunteers within
particular countries to identify and then mark or tag works that are
in the public domain?

I pick these examples simply to give some concreteness to the
discussion, and because I think they are fundable (a key criterion)
not to suggest they are the only ones. All of you might come up with
better ones – and then we could talk about what made sense to do with
the CC brand; what globally, and what regionally. The question this
letter poses is whether the people in the CCi network think it might
be interesting to pursue the general idea of CC global and regional
projects (whatever those projects might be) further: not so much
starting with a grand structural plan for the organization, but
starting with particular worthy - and collectively chosen - projects
out of which a more global (or regional?) structure might begin to
coalesce. The benefits could be considerable. Better coordination and
information flow, possibilities to raise funds both within our own
countries and internationally, public service in solving problems
that relate to CC's core mission, increased prominence and focus on
the CCi network and jurisdictions, research opportunities, network
building. The difficulties would be considerable too, but the
question is whether it is worth beginning the discussion. If there
was interest, we might think about arranging some meetings on the
subject. Jamie cannot be in Sapporo but Joi and other board members
and staff will be. Perhaps the discussion could be pursued further then?

So if we could sum up: we wholeheartedly agree with the basic thrust
of your letter, but in addition we would like to go further by
exploring the possibility of particular global or regional projects
involving the jurisdictions. These projects would be worthy for their
own sake, but the hope would be that they are also the kind of
concrete tasks around which the structure of a more truly global CC
might accrete in an organic and webby kind of way.

These answers are only beginnings of course, and one we would like to
discuss more widely and beyond this group, but they do indicate the
lines along which we are thinking. We look forward to your feedback.

Warmest regards,

Jamie and Joi
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