Developer discussion for Creative Commons technology and tools

[BjornW <burobjorn AT gmail.com>]

+1

My experience as an external volunteer developer is the same as Maarten.
This actually made me more or less stop contributing to CC.
I'd also like to see a more future-proof solution where some thought has
been given to prevent the mistakes from the past, instead of quick 'fixes'.

grtz
BjornW

On 04-03-13 12:08, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> There is no documentation for a start. It is a very value adding
> feature of the deed page but without documentation is probably
> sparsely used and hard to convince third parties to use RDFa to enrich
> their rights statements.
>
> But frankly and if you read closely this entire thread is not about
> the metadata scraper. It is about the lack of transparency, direction
> and general documentation, as well as leadership in the technical
> infrastructure of CC.
>
> The entire community basically consist of recent departures from the
> CC tech team and me. In recent years I've tried on multiple occasions
> to contribute on the codebase/ infrastructure of CC but I always run
> up to a barrier of having no central team that can support efforts to
> such an extent that is adds value.
>
> With this thread I don't want to hear quick fixes or answers to my
> direct questions. I want to receive some confirmation (in
> policy/roadmaps/support) that cc-technologies is not at a dead end.
>
> Best,
>
> Maarten
>
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 19:46 , Dan Mills <dan AT creativecommons.org
> <mailto:dan AT creativecommons.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Maarten,
>>
>> I actually thought I'd sent a mail to this list, but indeed,
>> apparently I did not! So, let me fix that right away :)
>>
>> Hello. I'm Dan Mills, the new Director of Product Strategy at
>> Creative Commons. In short, I'm a technical product guy with roots in
>> open source and the Web. You can read a little more about me here:
>>
>> http://creativecommons.org/staff#danmills
>>
>> More specifically on roadmap--I have been reviewing the existing
>> infrastructure and identifying the most urgent fixes we need to do,
>> while at the same time thinking about what the forward direction will
>> be and what kind of team we will need.
>>
>> What are the burning issues with the scraper form your POV?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:
>>
>>> Oh come on!
>>>
>>> That simply is not good enough.
>>>
>>> We CC-affiliates / open activists need to be able to do our work. I
>>> raised this question because I do work for Europeana, The European
>>> version of the DPLA, but 5 years ahead. they were instrumental and
>>> the first adopter of the Public Domain Mark. Europeana works with
>>> 2600+ cultural institutions and has about 5 million works PD/CC0
>>> marked. Now when one of those institutions mails me and asked me why
>>> there is no extra metadata on PDM pages coming of Europeana, I need
>>> to be able to say that there is possibly a script blocker on the
>>> client side and that Europeana and CreativeCommons.org
>>> <http://creativecommons.org/> are functioning properly, see this
>>> page for more information (no page or documentation to be found...).
>>> When I cannot do that I cannot do my job. When I cannot do my job I
>>> cannot convince these institutions of the merit of CC licensing or
>>> PD marking. When I cannot do that they will be less likely to use
>>> the tools. That is bad for our global access to culture. (I use
>>> myself as an example, this could happen to anyone who wants to
>>> promote CC).
>>>
>>> We all want more open content and correct rights labelling right? I
>>> need to be able to rely on that infrastructure of CC.org
>>> <http://cc.org/> to be able to do my job in this.
>>>
>>> It is completely absurd that you cannot get your act together and
>>> provide us with a decent technological infrastructure and support to
>>> help convince the world that a) open content is a good way to go and
>>> b) rights labelling is important and c) (most importantly) we have
>>> their backs in that.
>>>
>>> Also, where is Dan Mills in all of this? He's been on the job for
>>> like two months now right? Why is it that he hasn't even introduced
>>> himself on this list yet? I hope he consider the licenses and their
>>> backing technology as part of the product of CC..
>>>
>>> I think it is unbelievable that you can laconically state that you
>>> wish you had better answers…
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 18:15 , Greg Grossmeier <greg AT grossmeier.net
>>> <mailto:greg AT grossmeier.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <quote name="Maarten Zeinstra" date="2013-02-27" time="12:18:05 +0100">
>>>>> I was wondering if there is a roadmap for the development of the
>>>>> metadata scraper of the deed pages.
>>>>
>>>> This is on a roadmap of some sorts; I can't remember the specific
>>>> timeline right now.
>>>>
>>>>> As of now it only support RDFa, maybe we want to add other formats as
>>>>> well?
>>>>
>>>> That is the idea, indeed.
>>>>
>>>>> Also I could find very little documentation about the workings of the
>>>>> scraper directed at non-developers. Where can I point to when no
>>>>> scraped information shows up because of a script blocker?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing at this time :/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wish I had better answers,
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: As of Feb 19th, I now work for the Wikimedia Foundation, so my time
>>>> on these type of issues will be radically lower now.
>>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html
>>>>
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