Developer discussion for Creative Commons technology and tools

[Jon Phillips <jon AT rejon.org>]

Cool, Conrad, why don't you check it out and submit a patch. Also,
please do work out the details on OGG and add to our wiki. That would be
brilliant:

http://wiki.creativecommons.org/OGG

Jon

On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 17:20 +0900, Conrad Parker wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> when you get to working on Ogg files (Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Theora etc.)
> then please drop an email to ogg-devel AT xiph.org :-)
> 
> I'm a maintainer of vorbis-tools (oggenc, ogg123 etc.) and I'm
> interested in including support for CC standards. The details of
> including XMP data have not been worked through for Ogg files, and it
> would be good to ensure things interoperate.
> 
> Also, feel free to drop by #annodex on irc.freenode.net for chat about
> related standards for embedding metadata in multimedia.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Conrad.
> 
> On 25/03/07, Terry Hancock <hancock AT anansispaceworks.com> wrote:
> > I recently became interested in CC's XMP Developer Challenges, which
> > recommended providing support for Adobe XMP embedded metadata tagging
> > for multimedia files.
> >
> > I have a project that would benefit significantly from better tools
> > for handling metadata, so I am now developing one, to be called
> > "Palimpsest", which provides a Python module for processing multimedia
> > metadata:
> >
> > Palimpsest 0.1-alpha
> >
> > So far, it only knows about GIF files, though I have implemented the
> > XMP Scanner concept described in the Adobe XMP Specification as the
> > fallback plugin.
> >
> > I have immediate plans to develop JPG, PNG, SVG, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC
> > format plugins.
> >
> > Plugins for Palimpsest are easy to write, and I have provided HTML
> > documentation on how to do this with the package. So, you can quickly
> > expand this list to include your favorite multimedia formats. I can
> > immediately suggest: WAV, MIDI, PDF, PS, Blend (Blender), MP3 as likely
> > candidates for contributed plugins.
> >
> > The current user interface is rather primitive and does not yet live up
> > to my expectations of the project. The documentation explains both how
> > things work now, and how I plan for them to work. Major TODOs include
> > providing Dublin Core adaptation both for "native named fields" and for
> > XMP data, as well as interchange between the two. I also plan to add a
> > "Notices" interface which will allow usage as simple as this:
> >
> > >>> from palimpsest import Palimpsest
> > >>> f = Palimpsest("myfile.jpg")
> > >>> f.copyright = (2007, 'Terry Hancock', 'CC-By-SA 2.5')
> > >>> f.write("myfile.jpg")
> > >>>
> > [...]
> > >>> f = Palimpsest("myfile.jpg")
> > >>> f.copyright
> > '(C) 2007 Terry Hancock / CC-By-SA 2.5'
> > >>>
> >
> > More complex interfaces will allow read/write access to just about any
> > metadata that can be embedded into multimedia files.
> >
> > Please read the HTML documentation in the package for more detail. I'll
> > post the URL when I get it put online.
> >
> > Obvious uses would be for web applications like ccHost, mediawiki, or
> > Plone (and whatever Flickr is using) to automatically tag uploads with
> > embedded metadata, and of course for client programs that can read the
> > embedded data from already downloaded files. I decided to focus on just
> > writing the standalone Python module, because it should be easy to
> > incorporate into a wide variety of applications.
> >
> > There is not yet a command-line script, but it would obviously be easy
> > to write one using it.
> >
> > HOW TO GET PALIMPSEST 0.1-alpha:
> >
> > Package download URL (from Sourceforge project site):
> >
> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8578
> >
> > The 0.1-alpha contains the full source and unit tests. 0.1-alpha-dev
> > adds about 2.5 MB of test files in /moretests for testing new filetype
> > plugins (I probably need to find or make a shorter Ogg Vorbis file).
> >
> > Subversion repository browsing interface:
> >
> > http://light-princess.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/light-princess/palimpsest/
> >
> > Please contact me if you need more information or run into problems with
> >  writing plugins or other use of the package. I am subscribed to the CC
> > Developer ML.
> >
> >
> > Some things I'd like to discuss about the (not yet written) high-level
> > interface design include:
> >
> > What to do with XMP data or adapted Dublin Core data once we have it.
> > Can we define "math" operators for concepts like "combination",
> > "derivation", "collection", etc?
> >
> > e.g.:
> >
> > xmp_collab = xmp1 & xmp2
> >
> > would create an XMP (or DC?) object to represent the correct attribution
> > and licensing of a work which derives from the works from which xmp1 and
> > xmp2 are taken?
> >
> > Or maybe there should be helper functions like:
> >
> > xmp_collab = derivation(xmp1, xmp2)
> >
> > instead.
> >
> > What kind of interface would you like?  What concepts should it 
> > incorporate?
> >
> > I support four types of data: native named fields, XMP packets,
> > free-form comments, and visible text fields.  There are advantages and
> > disadvantages to each, so I don't think it's possible to condense things
> > much further. Music players, for example, expect to use native fields to
> > display artist and song title, so XMP alone isn't good enough. Visible
> > fields are a bit controversial (are they really metadata?), but should
> > be very handy for things like XML documents that contain attribution and
> > licensing statements that are rendered as part of the content.
> >
> > Comments invited.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Terry
> >
> > --
> > Terry Hancock (hancock AT AnansiSpaceworks.com)
> > Anansi Spaceworks http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com
> >
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