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  • From: Sigmascape1 AT cs.com
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  • Subject: [Cc-bizcom] Re: RE: Gates' assertions about copyright reform
  • Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:15:20 -0500

Yes, the length of copyright (in the U.S. and abroad) is a horrible injustice
to culture. In 90 years, how will culture benefit from Windows XP?

It became apparent to me about 5 years ago (because of research I was doing)
that we have the wrong captain directing our IP ship.

Thank goodness for Creative Commons and it's world-wide acceptance.

MLF


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>   1. Re: RE: Gates' assertions about copyright reform
>      (Marshall W. Van Alstyne)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:48:37 -0500
>From: "Marshall W. Van Alstyne" <marshall AT MIT.EDU>
>Subject: Re: [Cc-bizcom] RE: Gates' assertions about copyright reform
>To: Sigmascape1 AT cs.com, cc-bizcom AT lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050112173536.03307cd0 AT po10.mit.edu>
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>Relative to Gates' missives about IP reformers, the NYT provided some
>interesting counterpoint based on IBM's move to open up several of its
>software patents to anyone doing open source development.  While such
>patents are generally awful to begin with, it's a step in the right
>direction.
>
>With respect to software, we often forget -- and Gates' seems to overlook
>-- that copyright was originally only 14 years, renewable only once.  It's
>been extended not less than 4 times, and never for public benefit.  It is
>currently absurdly long at author's life + 75 years or 95 yrs in the case
>of corporations.  These lengths are well past the economically useful life
>of almost any information good and they clearly do not boost the incentives
>for creators who have passed away.
>
>Makes one cranky just thinking about it.
>
>see
>http://publishing.wsu.edu/publishing.wsu.edu_non_ssl/copyright/public_domain_duration/
>
>for a few historical details.
>
>MVA
>
>At 01:03 PM 1/10/2005, Sigmascape1 AT cs.com wrote:
>>I realize that there has been, and will continue to be, a lot of
>>discussion on this unfortunate story, but this is how I feel about it, and
>>why I expect no less from Mr. Gates...
>>
>>Microsoft does not enrich the cultural landscape with its products, and it
>>never will. Microsoft uses patents and copyrights to make money, and that
>>is certainly 100% legal. Where I have issue with Gates is his lack of
>>understanding about what 'giving back' really means. If Gates understood
>>the U.S. Constitution, he would realize that patents and copyrights are
>>not perpetual, and that at some point, he and his company will have to
>>'give back.' By using flexible licensing, many 'give back' on a daily
>>basis. Sort of meeting copyright law and the public domain halfway.
>>
>>He may also be interested in why someone, anyone, would take some type of
>>artistic work he or she created (software code, possibly) and wish to
>>share it with the rest of the world. Basically, he misses the point that
>>sharing creative works spawns new creative works, and it spawns new ways
>>to make money. GNU/Linux is one of the great examples of how 'sharing'
>>actually makes it easier to create and develop new works and products.
>>Certainly the Creative Commons' licenses do this everyday, and I use them
>>everyday. I know that my photos and digital art are being sampled, and in
>>many cases, verbatim copies are being tossed around various P2P networks,
>>and that's fine with me. I made the decision to 'give back' and I hope
>>that others will as well.
>>
>>Microsoft could be the most disliked company in the world, I don't know. I
>>know it has to be in the top 10, and its place is well-deserved. Microsoft
>>might be able to escape this top ten list if they were willing to engage
>>the 'communists' they claim are attempting to thwart their business plans.
>>The day when Gates and the believers in giving back break bread together
>>will be a great day, and it would take MS off the top ten list.
>>
>>MLF
>>
>> >Message: 1
>> >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:10:55 -0500
>> >From: Marshall Van Alstyne <marshall AT MIT.EDU>
>> >Subject: [Cc-bizcom] Gates & (c) reform
>> >To: cc-bizcom AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> >Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050110110900.03eee508 AT po10.mit.edu>
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>> >The following is a short & fun article on the Creative Commons response to
>> >Gates' assertions about copyright reform:
>> >
>> >http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,66209,00.html
>> >
>> >Happy new year.
>> >MVA
>> >
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