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[Phillip Long <longpd AT uq.edu.au>]

Hi: I'm not 'associated' with the ALTC but I know Carol Nicholl's (ALTC CEO) well enough to ask her about this. If no one objects I'll send her a note specifically on this topic. Brian Fitzgerald would be good to ask about the By NC ND stipulations vis-a-vis YouTube. Heck, I'll ping him as well ;-)  

Regards,

Phil

Phillip Long, Prof. & Director

http://ceit.uq.edu.au

University of Queensland, Australia

longpd AT uq.edu.au

On 08/03/2011, at 2:46 PM, Leigh Blackall wrote:

Thanks for looking into it Tama, I guess it's over to ALTC then. I take you point on Fair Dealings, but this still excludes people easily putting a copy on Wikimedia Commons for example. Does anyone know if placing a work licensed to ALTC with CC By NC ND on Youtube breaches the non commercial restriction? I have heard of students in NZ using NC a s a way to subvert systems like Turn it In, commercial plagiarism checking software that says it takes a copy of everything submitted to check against. Their thinking being that they'd be in their rights to insist it not be submitted because of the commercial nature of Turn it In.

As you imply, ALTC probably decided to stipulate a CC license over all, opting to choose the one that would cause least pushback in the Universities, not realising or not minding what the resulting wider exclusions would be. Better if they adopted the Gov2 recommendation then, especially now the Gov sees it that way too. 

I don't suppose anyone here is associated with ALTC are they?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tama Leaver <tamaleaver AT gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I asked Simon McIntyre at COFA (who made the videos) why that license was chosen, and he explained thus:
"We in fact had no choice in the matter. The ALTC stipulated the licence we had to use as part of the contractual agreement. All their projects must use this licence. We even had to stick to the older 2.5 licence rather than the newer 3.0 licence. I used the 3.0 originally, but got into trouble for it! "

So it was the Australian Learning and Teaching Council's rules. To be fair, I imagine at some point the ALTC made this rule to ensure everyone produced was under a CC license (ie to urge people who wouldn't normally have done so to use CC) and that the more conservative CC BY NC ND license is the best compromise possible when being contractually applied to all the projects they fund.

As to the NC element, especially for this sort of educational resource, that's never seemed problematic to me.  I do agree ND is a bit annoying, but it's worth remembering that Fair Dealing can still apply, to if you needed to play 30 seconds, or remix it into a new educational resource, Fair Dealing (or US Fair Use) would in most cases still allow that.

Cheers,
Tama

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Phillip Long <longpd AT uq.edu.au> wrote:

Leigh - good questions.  I'm actually wondering if the NC, ND constraints are as inhibiting as you're portraying them to be. I thought that NC meant that video couldn't be redistributed for commercial gain (as in appropriated by a 3rd party who then charged for access). If the video were instead put up on a commercial website that was freely available to anyone, as the YouTube distribution represents, then isn't the NC restriction still preserved?  Wouldn't that still allow you to distributed it through your own unveristy website, for example? Why does it prevent you from putting it up on other commercial video sharing sites, as long as the access to it remains 'free' to the general public?

The ND clause to me is understandable but not necessarily helpful. I can see Project Litto wanting to preserve the editorial integrity of the video the produced. Mashups, re-edits, clips etc., challenge they're initial storytelling intent. On the otherhand, that's exactly what I hoped this would foster - creative mashups that allowed this material to be leveraged, not with the intent of changing the message or in its most cyncial interpretation used to express an entirely different message from the original contributors intent, but with the idea of localising better in different contexts. The ND clause is indeed a heavy handed way of preventing that, and I have to agree, unncessarily restrictive. 

Regards,

Phil

Phillip Long, Prof. & Director

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http://ceit.uq.edu.au

University of Queensland, Australia

longpd AT uq.edu.au

On 06/03/2011, at 8:11 PM, Leigh Blackall wrote:

I'm interested why/how the video came to wear the license Non Commercial and No Derivatives? I saw no content within it that forced that...

Tama encouraged educational media producers, even students to use more liberal licenses, but was left high and dry by the producers of this video, looking slightly hypocritical as a result. 

The Non Commercial restriction prevents me loading it to other commercially sustained video sharing sites, certainly most educational institutions these days, perhaps that was precisely the reason, this is the Australian education sector after all.. The No Derivative restriction prevents transcriptions, translations, sub titling, or maybe even copying it into an open standard format. Certainly I can't do anything with it but watch it at the location prescribe by the College. 

I don't mean to be harsh, but how does the College, with a pretty high percentage of funding from Australian taxes, justify these restrictions? How did Tama come to give release for recordings of his face and words in this? Especially when it portrays the producers, and even Tama by association, as being more conservative than the Australian Government these days! 

There must be a reason, I'd like to know, it wasn't apparent in the video.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Jessica Coates <j2.coates AT qut.edu.au> wrote:

Excellent advocating, sir
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Hi Catherine,

Glad it looks useful for your purposes. :) The point of the videos is
to share them, so obviously you can embed the YouTube video right now
if you want to.  The video us up under a CC license (BY NC ND), but if
you want a decent quality version, you might want to contact the COFA
team who filmed and made the videos.  The main contact person for this
is Simon McIntyre (LTTO Project Leader) s.mcintyre AT unsw.edu.au (Phone
+61 2 9385 0631).

Cheers,
Tama



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Copyright <copyright AT cqu.edu.au> wrote:
> Dear Tama,
>
> Would it be ok if I was to upload this video on our institution's websites especially the Library one and the copyright one. I'm encouraging lecturers to use CC materials and these videos would be really helpful.
>
> Regards,
>
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> Hi All,
>
> Of interest for CC users in Australia, and especially Australian
> educators, the COFA team have put together a series of online video
> and teaching and learning, with one in particular that I contributed
> to called "Understanding Creative Commons - Case Study" which examines
> using CC licenses in education (especially where students are creating
> media). It's basically a 9 minute YouTube clip and a related PDF fact
> sheet.   This might be useful for some folks on this list, so the link
> is http://online.cofa.unsw.edu.au/learning-to-teach-online/ltto-episodes?view=video&video=239
> or you can jump straight to the YouTube clip
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhIsItdue4
>
> Cheers,
> Tama
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