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[Sindi Keesan <keesan AT iamjlamb.com>]

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Matrix Mole wrote:

> On Mon, 31 May 2004, Sindi Keesan wrote:
> 
> >> My question, why is it needed? On a remote machine, you can usually open
> >> as many telnet windows as you need. Physically logged into linux machine,
> > I dial (not telnet) to my bbs and cannot open additional consoles.
> 
> But you dial in from you rlinux box right? Does the BBS allow a full 
> fledged TCP stack to the rest of the internet? If you use screen with your 
> bbs account, do you use from the bbs itself as opposed to being used on 
> your home system?

I can access the bbs either by direct-dial or by telnetting.    There is a 
lot of lag with telnetting and in addition our DSL modem keeps freezing up 
the connection for 1-2 minutes if you telnet but not if you dial.  I have 
used screen at the bbs to do several things at once and copy between lynx 
and pico.  I ought to also use it from my own computer so I can cut and 
paste things from my email to another screen on the same terminal without 
needing to download it all.  Or copy from lynx to email rather than 
emailing someone a whole webpage.  Probably this could be done with X and 
a mouse instead, using BL3.

 
> >> you have the virtual consoles. I've never used more than a few console
> >> windows at the same time, so why would someone need the power that
> >
> > Screen lets you copy between screens (on the same or different consoles)
> > using keyboard commands.  I can use lynx on one console or screen, and
> > pico on another, and copy bits and pieces between them.  No mouse needed,
> > no X.
> 
> Ok, that could be really useful as opposed to trrying to bounce back and 
> forth between virtual consoles to copy information (as I've done in the 
> past).

You need to go back and forth between screens instead with Ctrl-C and the 
number of the screen.   The screens can be on the same or different 
consoles.  If different consoles, you can see them on two monitors (TTL 
and VGA).  I was hoping to translate that way eventually.

> 
> > There is also a smaller, simpler, program called something like splitvt,
> > which comes with one of the SW7.1 packages and dates back to around 1995.
> > The documentation is very poor.  I finally figured out how to block by
> > learning screen first.  You need to mark with the space bar and move
> > around with hjkl keys (sideways and up and down cursor movement), then use
> > a control+key combination to cut or paste or switch between two or more
> > split screens on one console.
> 

It might be in binutils.tgz.  I am using DOS to dial in so cannot check 
right now.  

> This sounds very much like the key commands that are used in the vi 
> editor. Slightly offtopic here, but I just discovered today throough 
> playing aroudn that vi isn't installed by default in BL2, but it does have 
> an editor that appears to be a stripped down version of pico. Steven: Did 
> you have to compile that editor yourself to get it to be small enough to 
> include with BL2, or is it just an old version of pico that is stand 
> alone? Since I've installed the full fledged pine package already, this is 
> mostly just "need to know" kind of information. :)

Have you tried the vi version of e3?  Is it included in BL3?

> > Screen from SW80 requires ncurses from the same.  I could not find screen
> > for SW71. Let me know if you cannot get it to work and want help.  I found
> > a later version than what comes with SW80, which works.  There might be an
> > additional dependency.

 
> I'll be having to install ncurses eventually anyway (its needed for 
> bittorrent to work, along with having to install pyhon *shudder*). As for 
> the dependecies for the SW80 screen, it wouldn't be too hard to discover 
> what those dependencies are (installpkg screen.tgz then ldd screen). 
> Although, I may, if I decide to install screen (which is still up in the 
> air), use the version from SW91 as that's the version that I appear to be 
> migrating towards just because of the extras it has in it (along with 
> more recent version of certain packages).

I found a fairly recent version for SW80 (later than what is included in 
SW80 at the Slackware mirror sites) - 13.  What version is in SW91?  I 
doubt that I am using any of the newer features as this is a rather large 
program with many features.  I don't understand the meaning of most of 
them.  

Python is needed for the only small free linux drawing program I found 
(sketch) which I have not yet tried.  What is the problem with python?  

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