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- From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
- To: AMK Judaica <amkjudaica AT hotmail.com>
- Cc: Hebrew List <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?
- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 00:08:11 -0400
I will tell you what I think about the patax (Wikipedia says about the qamatz that it is, or used to be, a תנועה אחורית חצי-פתוחה מעוגלת but this we can safely ignore as a mere finger-sucked fable), and this is, as far as I can go. 1. The יסוד מוסד of the Hebrew niyqud is that the dagesh was there first as the sole reading cue for a patax, a xiriq, or a qubuc, (זַנְבוֹת is an override) and that the NAQDANIYM based their punctuation on this dagesh. The dagesh has nothing to do, in my opinion, not with "gemination" and not with the "opening" and "closing" of syllables. Even the hardening of BGDKPT with a dagesh, is, in my opinion, merely incidental. 2. Upon seeing the dot in the word שבּת in Num. 28:10, the NAQDANIYM put a patax under the letter ש $in. Then they saw the next word בּשבּתּו with two interior dgeshim (the initial dagesh is, methinks, but a vestige of a dot marking the beginning of the word), which prompted them to place two patax marks, one under the letter ש $in, and one under the letter ב bet, to read olAt $AbAt b$AbAto. 3. In Is. 66:23 the NAQDANIYM saw the dagesh in the letter ת of להשתּחות and this directed them to place a xiriq under the letter ה he. 4. A patax/qamatc interchange may change the meaning, for instance, דַּג זהב DAG ZAHAB, 'gold fish', versus דָּג זהב 'he fished gold'. But דַּגְתִּי 'I fished', with a patax under the letter ד dalet due to a dagesh in the letter ת tav. Isaac Fried, Boston University On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:37 AM, AMK Judaica wrote: The following examples of שבת have a patah under the bet rather than the expected kamatz: |
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[b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
AMK Judaica, 08/07/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
Isaac Fried, 08/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
AMK Judaica, 08/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?, Isaac Fried, 08/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
AMK Judaica, 08/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?, Jerry Shepherd, 08/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
Jerry Shepherd, 08/08/2013
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[b-hebrew] Arabs or Arameans?,
Isaac Fried, 08/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Arabs or Arameans?,
Uzi Silber, 08/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Arabs or Arameans?, Joseph Roberts, 08/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Arabs or Arameans?,
Uzi Silber, 08/10/2013
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[b-hebrew] Arabs or Arameans?,
Isaac Fried, 08/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
Jonathan Mohler, 08/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] qamatz and patax,
Isaac Fried, 08/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] qamatz and patax, Jonathan Mohler, 08/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] qamatz and patax,
Isaac Fried, 08/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Shabbat in construct state?,
Isaac Fried, 08/08/2013
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