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  • From: Chris Watts <dekruidnootjes AT eircom.net>
  • To: Jerry Shepherd <jshepherd53 AT gmail.com>
  • Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 91:16 last word
  • Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:13:07 +0100

Hi Jerry, and Karl. Yes I missed that hiphil, I wrongly assumed a qal without even thinking (I'm not as clever as you guys yet) ......So I think then that one could read: ...I will cause him to see within my salvation" I would then understand this hebrew phrase as: "See" being in a visionary/prophetic unfolding understanding of things and 'salvation' here meant as an unfolding act as opposed to an abrupt end to distress and hence total rescue from trouble.

Chris Watts
Ireland

On 24 Jun 2013, at 21:58, Jerry Shepherd wrote:

Hi Chris and Karl,

I too believe that Karl has correctly called attention to the wide range of
usage for the beth preposition. However, when it comes to his translation,
"I look at him with my salvation." it doesn't capture the consistent nuance
of the Hiphil for this particular verb. It is not YHWH who looks, but the
person whom YHWH causes to see his salvation.

Blessings,

Jerry

Jerry Shepherd
Taylor Seminary
Edmonton, Alberta
jshepherd53 AT gmail.com



On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Chris Watts <dekruidnootjes AT eircom.net>wrote:

Dear Karl, well Karl I think that actually this makes a lot of
sense to me semantically, and that the verb ראה having a loose and
varied translation also, one could then also put together "I will
acknowledge him within my salvation". (using the idea of "see" as
also "to acknowledge, within God's ongoing plans of deliverance as
opposed to the finality of the word "salvation" that one often reads
into verses such as these). At least you have confirmed for me that
the "bet" does indeed have a purpose.

Chris Watts
Ireland

On 24 Jun 2013, at 16:16, K Randolph wrote:

Chris:

I don’t know any grammatical justification, rather usage. It has the
meaning of “in, but in a very broad usage, broader than English to
include
location (where in English we sometimes use “near”, “on” and
“upon”), as an
indicator of instrumentality “by means of” or “by use of” or
“(by) cost
of”, an indicator of possession, used by many verbs to indicate the
object
of the verb”. In this verse, I understand a usage of
instrumentality, “I
look at him through my salvation” rather than looking away from him in
rejection.

Does this make sense?

Karl W. Randolph.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Chris Watts
<dekruidnootjes AT eircom.net>wrote:


בישועתי It seems that the bet preposition is a semantic
nuance rather than a grammatical necessity? Re-reading all the
grammars about this preposition in case I missed something I could
not find any 'grammatical' justification for its presence; have I
forgotten something or is there some nuance here? Perhaps since the
'bet' as preposition is quite veratile in how it is used, is there
any justification for assuming a translation such as: I will show
him about my salvation? (in other words, how my salvation works
bearing in mind the theme of psalm 91)?

Chris Watts
Ireland


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