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- From: jimstinehart AT aol.com
- To: nir AT ccet.ufrn.br, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22
- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:48:02 -0500 (EST)
Gentlemen:
The Biblical authors of II Kings were
primarily interested in portraying King Josiah as a righteous ruler, who brought
Judah back to the proper practice of true Judaism. As such, King Josiah can also be expected to
have a fine high priest of the Temple in Jerusalem, with whom King Josiah works
well. But the Biblical authors have zero
interest in praising King Josiah’s scribe!!!
Everyone is hung up on the first verse
I quoted, II Kings 22: 8: “
1.
Dave Washburn wrote: “I don't know where you got this idea that
there was such a sharp division between religious and secular
matters….”
I don’t know where you got the idea
that I think any such thing. On the
other hand, the first inclination of the authors of II Kings and Chronicles
would be to show high priest Hilkiah as working directly with King Josiah
regarding this important sacred discovery.
Why bring King Josiah’s scribe into the picture? Your comment that there was not “a sharp division
between religious and secular matters” explains nothing.
Dave Washburn continued: “Now I
remember why I usually don't read your material.”
You mean you’re not super-excited about
investigating the possibility that some of the oldest parts of the Torah may
have been written in cuneiform using west Semitic words, thereby enabling there
to be sacred Hebrew religious
w-r-i-t-t-e-n texts dating all
the long way back to the Late Bronze Age?
If that’s not an exciting possibility, then what in life is exciting?
2.
Prof. Yigal Levin made a series of alternative suggestions, starting
with the following: “Jim, I just re-read the passage. Nowhere does it say that Hilkiah and Josiah
could not read the book that had been found.”
It
doesn’t? Gosh, if two different Biblical
authors (II Kings and Chronicles) are trying to build up King Josiah, and show
him as correctly interpreting Judaism with his high priest Hilkiah, then why
would the text not say that Hilkiah read the sacred find, or that Hilkiah took
the sacred text to King Josiah? Why say
that Hilkiah gave the text to the scribe, who read it?
Prof.
Levin continued: “Not because the king
could not read, but because reading to the king was the scribe's job.”
Is
there any support in the Bible, or outside of the Bible, for that? The assertion is that the King could read
just as well as the scribe, but the King had a scribe read things to the King? Doesn’t it make much more sense here that the
sacred text was written in cuneiform, and only the scribe could read that
writing system?
Prof
. Levin then specifically supported Dave Washburn’s odd comment above: “I agree
with Dave. And
remember that Shaphan was in charge of the repairs to
the Temple in the first place. So
quite naturally anything of importance that was found would be brought to him.”
Yes, any gold or silver found in the
Temple would be handed over to the scribe, that’s for sure. But an ancient sacred religious text? What are high priests of Jerusalem good for
if not for examining and commenting on ancient sacred Hebrew religious texts?
3.
Nir Cohen had so many alternative ideas that there’s not room to set
forth all of them here. Nir Cohen starts
out: “the scribe (SOFER) was there
specifically to read and write.”
Yes,
but we know for a fact that King Josiah could read alphabetical Hebrew very
well, as“
Nir
Cohen continued: “his job may have
included not just the physical reading, but also the grammatical
interpretation, and even political censorship of certain difficult passages in
the text. it must have been considered a very responsible job.”
Wait
a minute! The Biblical authors are bound
and determined to build up King Josiah.
King Josiah, in conjunction with the high priest of Jerusalem, is
interpreting this important ancient sacred Hebrew religious text. King Josiah is definitely n-o-t
relying on his scribe here for “political censorship of certain
difficult passages in the text”.
Ni
Cohen then wrote: “moreover, the SOFER
had to read the text LOUDLY in front of a gathered assembly, a task which the
priest or the king may have considered unworthy of office. could even be
embarrassing if these dignitaries had glitched over a complicated word.”
The
text explicitly denies all of that. See
Switching
gears, Nir Cohen then came up with this interesting argument: “both priest and king may have been totally
absorbed in the hectic reconstruction work in the temple and desperate defence
plans in view of incoming invasions. they
did not have time to read.”
But
King Josiah d-i-d read the sacred text to himself, once it had
been transformed from cuneiform to alphabetical Hebrew by the scribe, and then
he d-i-d
take the time to read this text to all the assembled multitude of
Jerusalem and Judah.
4. Finally, Karl W. Randolph weighed in as
follows: “There’s another consideration
that was common before the typewriter: even
in societies with near universal literacy, there was ready employment for
anyone who could write with good, clear penmanship.”
But
that’s not the issue here. First and
foremost was determining precisely what this ancient text was. Hilkiah gave it to the scribe to read, and
then later the scribe read it to King Josiah.
Penmanship isn’t the issue.
Rather, the problem was that this ancient sacred text was written in
cuneiform (using west Semitic words), and accordingly the only one in Jerusalem
who could read it was Shaphan the scribe, who as part of his regular duties
read cuneiform letters sent to Judah from Assyria and Babylonia.
* *
*
Guys,
the only realistic way that part of the Torah can be a w-r-i-t-t-e-n
text dating all the long way back to the Bronze Age is if the writing
system used was cuneiform, using west Semitic words. That’s the “missing link” to discover the
true antiquity, and pinpoint historical accuracy, of the Patriarchal narratives.
Jim
Stinehart
Evanston,
Illinois
-
[b-hebrew] II kings 22,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 12/12/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22, K Randolph, 12/12/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22,
jimstinehart, 12/12/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22, K Randolph, 12/12/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22 ENDING THREAD,
George Athas, 12/12/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22 ENDING THREAD, jimstinehart, 12/12/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22 ENDING THREAD, Dave Washburn, 12/13/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] II kings 22, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 12/12/2012
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